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anyone out there in Topeka?

lets get real, that regardless of what statements the extreme right makes regarding the need for a new kind of leadership, the facts are that regardless of John kerry's Vietnam history, the one who has ruined our economy and caused massive job loss and totally abandoned the domestic agendahas been george bush and his croniesthis is just the truth and no matter how some of you try to smear John kerry, the next President of the Unitedj States,those of us who are familiar with the disaster bush has been for the country understand that the only way to fix the countryis by removing bush from officeand not just because of the actrocities committed in Vietnam by american soldiers while bush was in the hiding in the reserves avoiding Vietnambut because it was his party of Nixon who gave us Vietnam in a jungle where our american troops were sent to die like todays american trooops in Iraqand with all due respect to those of you who hate to hear the truth but it is very true that american soldiers in Vietnam "cut off ears of the vietnamese" because I heard this straight from a soldier who was my boyfriend in Vietnam and he told me some of the ugliest stories american troops did to the vietnamese they killed and one of their favorite torture of the dead in Vietnam was "hanging the cut ears of vietnamese from their belts" as well as "as taking every thing the dead man had" and so why some of you are having a problem with the truth I just dont understand but what I do know is that the only administration responsible for the disastrous encomomic conditions in our country is the bush/cheney administration who in the first place was not even elected to office so whatRE-ELECTION?when bush was appointed to office?hey maybe the u.s. supreme court can appoint another president to officeJohn Kerry is the only choice Americans have at this time to try to save what is left of our country being that all bush has done is attempt to disrupt dismantle and destroy the Constitution with his appointed republican cronies like that despicable john ashcroft who has exploited the security homeland act in ways of the Patriot Act because this is all corrupt republicans can doIt was not John Kerry who was President when the bush/cheney administration failed to warn New York prior to 9-11 and no matter what Candoleeza Rice tells this country under or not under oath, this Candoleeza is the worse kind of bush appointee a country could have so its not whether to or not testify under oathits that Candoleeza already already already failed to come forth honestly without having to be under oathso here we go again with another big fat lie by another liar Candoleeza as if being under oath made a difference to liars who have a one track mind of causing military chaos thinking they can be foreign advisors when WHAT EXPERIENCE AS FOREIGN ADVISOR DID CANDOLEEzA HAVE BEFORE being appointed by bush like he appointed Ashcroft, what experience did Ashcroft have in exploiting the Constitution prior to his appiontment by bush? and what experience did Rumsfeld have in directing any war that was not a failure to society on the coffins of dead american troops in vietnam in the gulf war and now Iraq and of course the war on New York by bush's failed warnings to New York when he AND CANDOLEEZA HAD THE CHANCE, these two corrupt republican crooks failed to warn society and the victims of 9-11 paid the price for Condi's and bush's betrayal to warn New York ahead of timeoh come on Candoleeza, you were nothing nor had any experience in any administration prior to being the war loving beast condi appears to be today so stop trying to blame John Kerry for the fraud the bush/cheney/rice/powell/rumsfeld administration has been for our country JOHN KERRY WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES BECAUSE THE COUNTRY DEMANDS THE ATTENTION OF THE VOTERS OF THIS COUNTRY AND THE WORKERS AND ALL THE POOR PEOPLE ARE MORE POWERFUL THAN ALL THE CORPORATE MILLIONS BUSH HAS RAISED TO CONTINUE RAPING THE WHITEHOUSE

great! "surrounded" by an anti-semite, a genocidaire, and someone who never learned anything about US history or the US governmentlet's see: "Realist" shows us all that the logical conclusion of current policies is genocide - thanks for making the point that we make in our song "Fuck War"while "Doug French"s posting (thanks for that, Doug, but in the future, we'd prefer your own thoughts or observations, providing links instead for articles) highlights that we can all thank the indicted Sharon who with US weaponry made the world even more unsafe for the US - thanks Ari, thanks AIPAC!! you guys are swell!and then there's "Still Waiting" who i guess is waiting to learn who George Washington, Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, Patrick Henry, and Thomas Paine were and what they thought -or s/he might be still waiting to read the US Constitution (try it sometime, it's RADICAL);in answer to your question, "Still Waiting" I didn't know that the NSC, State, and the CIA had rallies recently, although you could say that Afghanistan and Iraq and the Phillipines and Colombia are one big pro-terrorist rally that our tax dollars support, making us more unsafe, killing off more people, and getting the rest of the world even angrier at us (check out our lyrics to SMF)which is a bummer for the thousands of US servicemen and women who are there on good faith (not sure i'd apply this description to all) while Rice makes countless public appearances and yet refuses to testify to the 9/11 panel; clearly she has nothing to hide - which is why she's so interested in publicly testifying - i'm sure she'll want to do it under oath too!and we haven't heard from our friend who rants and raves, often making some pretty good points, but destroying his/her entire discourse with anti-semitism; so thanks for not doing the anti-semitic show

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GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip - U.S. President George W. Bush is the enemy of God and Islam, the new Hamas chief in Gaza said Sunday, declaring that God's war against the United States and Israel was ongoing.In a speech at Gaza's Islamic University, Hamas leader Abdel Aziz Rantisi said he was not surprised that the United States vetoed a U.N. Security Council resolution condemning Israel's assassination last Monday of Hamas spiritual leader Sheik Ahmed Yassin. "We knew that Bush is the enemy of God, the enemy of Islam and Muslims. America declared war against God. Sharon declared war against God and God declared war against America, Bush and Sharon," Rantisi said. "The holy man (Sheik Yassin), he said the war of God continues against them and I can see the victory coming up from the land of Palestine by the hand of Hamas." Immediately after the Israeli missile strike that killed Yassin, Rantisi and other Hamas leaders threatened to retaliate against the United States, Israel's staunchest ally. However, a few days later, Rantisi backed down from the threat, saying Hamas would only be active in the West Bank, Gaza Strip and Israel.

To those of you who think that sending young volunteers from the West will be enough to win the war against the Muslims... I have news for you. It will not do. This war has been going on for over 700 years, and is not about to end without a total and humiliating and devastating defeat of this pscychotic enemy. Just as it took 2 nuclear weapons to placate the suicidal, homicidal maniacs known as the Japanese, who provoked America in the last major war, it will take dozens of them to smash Islam and cow the Muslims. We probably do not have to exterminate the Muslims, it would be prudent to try the nuclear weapons method first. If they resisted, well, tough cookies Muhammed... but you've got to go.The world was working just great before the psychopathic muslims and their tacit bretheren started attacking Western Civilization. Books were even appearing entitled "The End of History" and such. But alas, the Muslims continued on their mad, murderous rampage and sooner or later it will come down to the big guns. Let's just get it the fuck over with and nuke the filthy pigs.

Don't forget to watch my exclusive interview with National Security Advisor Condoleeza Rice tonight on "60 Minutes" 7p.m. ET/PTYou guessed it, she's pissed!!!

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As I posted previously, there's enough blame to go around:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A28272-2004Mar26.html

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You folks really don't understand Washington. Take the 9/15/01 e-mail to Rice. She's getting ready to deal with the press, so she tells her aide (Clarke) to put together everything they'd done to counter bin Laden. When your superior asks for that, you pull together what you've got to make a case. You don't put together a memo outlining all the ways the USG f---ed up.Same for the August 2002 press briefing. You defend your boss's position. You don't tell the press that the policy is completely inadequate, or underfunded, or misconceived.A lot of people in this town make a living defending their boss's position, even if they don't necessarily agree with it, either because they need the job or because they agree with their boss on a host of other issues.Arguably perhaps Clarke should have resigned earlier if he felt so strongly. But he probably wanted to get his thirty years in.None of which matters, since you're mostly interested in defending one side and slamming the other. Whereas most Americans would just like to feel assured that we know what went wrong and everything possible is being done to assure that it never happens again. So much for changing the tone.

Sounds like you'd agree that Mr. Cheney, Mr., Bush and Ms. Rice should publicly testify to set the record straight. Why don't they?I mean, surely they want to make sure everyone knows everything that needs to be known about what led to 9/11 and all that they did. I suppose that's why they've never blocked the workings of the Commission - and were so helpful in its creation.One word that needs to be looked up: HYPOCRITE.

Clarke's Contradictions In hawking his book and testifying before the commission investigating the September 11 attacks, former counterterrorism boss Richard Clarke testified that the Bush administration largely ignored the threat from al Qaeda prior to the attacks. Under softball questioning from a Democratic member of the September 11 panel, former Rep. Tim Roemer, Mr. Clarke asserted that there was "no higher" priority than fighting terrorism under former President Clinton, but that the Bush administration "either didn't believe me that there was an urgent problem or was unprepared to act as though there were an urgent problem." But Mr. Clarke's assertions are contradicted by his own words. National Review editor Rich Lowry, for example, points out that, in his book, Mr. Clarke writes that forcing through a Middle East peace agreement was a higher priority for Mr. Clinton than retaliating for al Qaeda's attack on the USS Cole. Moreover, in a Sept. 15, 2001, e-mail to National SecurityAdvisorCondoleezza Rice, Mr. Clarke outlined some of the major steps taken by the Bush administration in the summer of 2001 to put the nation on a higher alert footing in an effort to prevent a possible attack. Mr. Clarke noted, for example, that on July 5, 2001, representatives of federal law enforcement agencies — including the FBI, the Secret Service, the Federal Aviation Administration, the Customs Service, the Coast Guard and the Immigration and Naturalization Service — were summoned to a meeting at which they were warned of a possible al Qaeda attack. "Thus, the White House did ensure that domestic law enforcement (including FAA) knew" of the possibility "that a major al Qaeda attack was coming and it could be in the U.S. ... and did ask that special measures be taken," Mr. Clarke observed in his e-mail to Miss Rice. More damning to Mr. Clarke's credibility, in an August 2002 briefing for journalists, reported Wednesday by Fox News, he explained in greater detail all the steps that the Bush administration took prior to September 11 to deal with the growing threat from al Qaeda (see facing page). Just days after coming into office on Jan. 20, 2001, the Bush administration decided to "vigorously pursue" the Clinton policy of taking covert action, which could include killing Osama bin Laden. In the spring of 2001, Mr. Clarke noted in that briefing, the new administration decided "to add to the existing Clinton strategy" by increasing five-fold CIA resources for covert action against al Qaeda. At that same briefing, Mr. Clarke also forcefully rebutted the assertion that the Bush administration's approach to the problem was motivated by a general animus toward the Clinton administration. "This is the one issue where the National Security Council leadership decided continuity was important and kept the same guy around, the same team in place," Mr. Clarke said. "That doesn't sound like animus against the previous team to me." Mr. Clarke said that from Oct. 1998 until Dec. 2000, the National Security Council in the Clinton administration failed to make any new recommendations on how to deal with the burgeoning al Qaeda threat. By contrast, in the summer of 2001, Mr. Clarke said, the Bush administration changed U.S. policy from the "rollback of al Qaeda over the course of five years" to its elimination. All of these points, however, are ignored or glossed over in his new book — which depicts the administration as laggards in dealing with the al Qaeda terrorist threat. The emerging picture of Clarke is one of a political chameleon and an impetuous man who is starved for attention after years of toiling anonymously in government bureaucracies. He points to his service in Republican administrations, and says he was a registered Republican in 2000 (credentials that make it easier to peddle a book bashing a Republican president). But a survey by Insight magazine, a sister publication of the Washington Times, found that his only political contributions in the last decade went to Democrats. T. Irene Sanders, executive director of a research group called the Washington Center for Complexity and Public Policy, described an odd encounter with Mr. Clarke several months ago, after he spoke at a luncheon on cyberspace security (see adjacent letter to the editor,). When she asked him a technical question he could not answer, he responded that they should write a book together, boasting that his publisher, Free Press, does a good job of obtaining publicity for authors. But Mr. Clarke's enormous capacity for self-promotion and taking liberties with the facts may be catching up with him. Time magazine's online edition yesterday published a blistering review of his book and his endless television appearances. Mr. Clarke, the magazine concluded, has become so shrill in disparaging President Bush that he "undermines a serious conversation about 9/11." Time also criticized "the polemical, partisan mean-spiritedness that lies at the heart of Clarke's book, and to an even greater degree, his television appearances flacking it." I wholeheartedly agree. Everyone knows that revisionist history is a survival tactic and a specialty of the left.

typical of franklin to glaze past, among other issues, the article by Mansoor Ijaz.......get ready for 4 more years, angry little men on the fringe left

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In the meantime, poor widdle pouty Condalezza Rice. Wants to have her cake and eat it too. Can't seem to make up her mind whether Clarke did too much or too little, was in the loop or out of the loop, everyone worked hard or were hardly working. It must suck to have to have said so many lies that one can't even figure out wich way is up.Poor widdle pouty Condalezza RiceDUMP BUSH (of, and her too!)

That's it? Two whole contributions, made to campaigns of people with whom he worked? You'd have to show that there were Republicans with whom he worked who ran for Congress and whom he did not support to give this argument validity.Also, it may come as a surprise to you, but friendships can exist across party lines.And if the Bush administration hadn't dragged its feet in acquiescing to the creation of this commission, it would be over and done with by now, so Clarke would already have testified, and the book would be old news.

Records Show Richard Clarke Gave Only to Democratswww.insightmag.com - Posted March 25, 2004By J. Michael WallerFormer counterterrorism czar Richard A. Clarke insists his attacks on President George W. Bush have nothing to do with politics, but an Insight check of Federal Election Commission (FEC) records shows that his only political contributions in the last decade have gone to Democrats.Clarke is suspected of using his former post in the Bush White House as a weapon with which to slash and wound the president during his re-election campaign against Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.). The Kerry campaign's coordinator for national security issues, Rand Beers, has described Clarke as his "best friend." According to the John F. Kennedy School of Government at Harvard University, where Clarke and Beers are adjunct lecturers, they teach a course together about terrorism. Clarke's detailed Harvard biography specifically mentions his service under President Ronald Reagan and the elder President Bush, but says nothing about his eight years working for President Bill Clinton.During the 9/11 commission hearings this week, Clarke denied any partisan leanings. "Let me talk about partisanship here, since you raised it," he told Commissioner John Lehman, pointing out that he, like Lehman, had served in the Reagan administration. "The White House has said that my book is an audition for a high-level position in the Kerry campaign," he said. "So let me say here, as I am under oath, that I will not accept any position in the Kerry administration, should there be one." He said he was a registered Republican in 2000.But what about this presidential election year? According to FEC records, Clarke has been giving his money to Democratic friends -- not Republicans -- running for national office. In 2002, while still on the Bush National Security Council (NSC), Clarke gave the legal maximum limit of $2,000 to a Democratic candidate for Congress, Steve Andreasen, who tried to unseat Republican Congressman Gil Gutknecht of Minnesota. Andreason had been director for defense policy and arms control on the Clinton NSC. In making his donations of $1,000 on July 22 and another $1,000 on Nov. 7, 2002, Clarke listed his occupation as "U.S. Government/Civil Servant," according to FEC records indexed with the Center for Responsive Politics.Clarke maxed out again in the 2004 election cycle, donating $2,000 to another Clinton White House veteran, Jamie Metzl, who is running as a Democrat for Congress from Missouri. Metzl was a staffer on the Clinton NSC and worked for Sen. Joseph Biden (D-Del.) as deputy staff director of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. With that donation, made on Sept. 15, 2003, after his resignation from the Bush NSC, Clarke listed his occupation as "Self-Employed/Consultant." FEC records show that Clarke reported no political contributions when he worked in the Clinton administration in the electoral cycles of the 1990s and 2000, when he said he was a Republican.

Richard Clarke, former White House counterterrorism czar for Presidents Bill Clinton and George W. Bush, testifies today before the commission investigating the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks against the United States. He is well-qualified to do so because few individuals over the last decade, inside or outside government, better understood the Islamic extremism threat in all its dimensions. But rather than deliver a factual recounting and analysis of intelligence failures and politically charged antiterrorism policies that plagued his years as coordinator for counterterrorism operations, he has chosen to characterize the Bush White House as indifferent to the threat posed by Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda network prior to the September 11 attacks without consideration for the failures on his watch during the Clinton years. This is inaccurate and adds nothing to our understanding of how distant terrorists could plan and carry out such daring and effective attacks. Mr. Clarke's premise that Bush national security officials neither understood nor cared to know anything about al Qaeda is simply untrue. I know because on multiple occasions from June until late August 2001, I personally briefed Stephen J. Hadley, deputy national security adviser to President Bush, and members of his South Asia, Near East and East Africa staff at the National Security Council on precisely what had gone wrong during the Clinton years to unearth the extent of the dangers posed by al Qaeda. Some of the briefings were in the presence of former members of the Clinton administration's national security team to ensure complete transparency. Far from being disinterested, the Bush White House was eager to avoid making the same mistakes of the previous administration and wanted creative new inputs for how to combat al Qaeda's growing threat. Mr. Clarke's role figured in two key areas of the debriefings — Sudan's offer to share terrorism data on al Qaeda and bin Laden in 1997, and a serious effort by senior members of the Abu Dhabi royal family to gain bin Laden's extradition from Afghanistan in early 2000. • Fall 1997: Sudan's offer is accepted by Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, then rejected by Mr. Clarke and Clinton National Security Adviser Samuel "Sandy" Berger. Sudan's president, Omar Hasan El Bashir, made an unconditional offer of counterterrorism assistance to the vice chairman of the September 11 Commission, then Rep. Lee Hamilton, Indiana Democrat, through my hands on April 19, 1997. Five months later on Sept. 28, 1997, after an exhaustive interagency review at the entrenched bureaucracy level of the U.S. government, Mrs. Albright announced the U.S. would send a high-level diplomatic team back to Khartoum to pressure its Islamic government to stop harboring Arab terrorists and to review Sudan data on terrorist groups operating from there. As the re-engagement policy took shape, Susan E. Rice, incoming assistant secretary of state for East Africa, went to Mr. Clarke, made her anti-Sudan case and asked him to jointly approach Mr. Berger about the wisdom of Mrs. Albright's decision. Together, they recommended its reversal.The decision was overturned on Oct. 1, 1997. Without Mr. Clarke's consent, Mr. Berger is unlikely to have gone along with such an early confrontation with the first woman to hold the highest post at Foggy Bottom. U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by al Qaeda 10 months later. Files with detailed data on three of the embassy bombers were among the casualties of Mr. Clarke's decision to recommend missile attacks on an empty Khartoum pharmaceutical plant rather than get Sudan's data out almost a year earlier to begin unraveling al Qaeda's network. To this day, neither Mr. Berger nor Mr. Clarke has explained to the American people why a deliberative decision of the U.S. government, made by interagency review, was overturned in such cavalier fashion by a small clique of Clinton advisers in the face of Sudan's unconditional April 1997 offer to cooperate on terrorism issues. If he was interested in facts, why did Mr. Clarke spurn the recommendations of his own intelligence and foreign policy institutions that the Sudanese offer be explored? Why did he not act on the Sudanese intelligence chief's direct approach to the FBI, of which he was aware, in early 1998 just prior to the final planning stages of the embassy bombings? • Spring 2000: Abu Dhabi's offer to get bin Laden out of Afghanistan falls flat. In late 1999, after a barrage of threats from al Qaeda's senior leadership against the Abu Dhabi royal family, a senior family member approached the Taliban foreign minister and Mullah Omar to discuss mechanisms for getting bin Laden out of Afghanistan. Mr. Clarke, who enjoyed close relations with the Abu Dhabi family, was brought into the early to prevent separation between Washington and Abu Dhabi on such a sensitive matter. While Mr. Clarke was skeptical of the idea at first, he played ball long enough to understand the real intentions of the Taliban regime. Smart enough, except when the deal got real. As the strategy started taking shape in earnest — a personal request from President Clinton to Sheikh Zayed, Abu Dhabi's ruler, seeking help to get bin Laden coupled with a $5 billion pan-Arab Afghan Development Fund that would be offered in return for bin Laden taking residence under house arrest in Abu Dhabi, with the possibility of extraditing him later to the United States — Mr. Clarke again scuttled the deal by opting instead for the militaristic solution. He pushed for armed CIA predator drones to hunt bin Laden in the remote mountains of northeastern Afghanistan. Abu Dhabi was left with a black eye. The Taliban became even more aggressive in allowing al Qaeda to plan and carry out terrorist operations from Afghan soil. Another chance to capture the world's most notorious terrorist had been lost. Mr. Clarke's selective memory serves no interest but his own agenda. He personifies the politicizing of intelligence by pointing fingers during the political high season for failures that not only occurred on his watch but also were due partly to his grand vision he would one day personally authorize a drone operation to kill bin Laden. Mr. Clarke, as he testifies today, should remember he served at the pleasure of the American people. He was appointed to defend us against the very terrorists he repeatedly assessed inaccurately. A grateful nation recognizes the difficulty of his task but we ask that he stick to facts rather than inject vitriol and untruths into a debate that must yield answers to help protect our children in the future. By Mansoor Ijazwww.washtimes.com - March 25, 2004

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I can't find a link to the original news story on Russia, but you can do a search and find any number of follow up stories. BTW, it happened in Qatar.Respectfully, I think your "simple" reasoning is simplistic. To give but one example, if the attention deserved is proportional to the aid given, then the contras really didn't deserve much attention at all. And you wrote: Many countries should get NO US military aid, including Israel: Guatemala, Colombia, Indonesia, Pakistan, etc.Well, I look forward to seeing on this page your criticisms of these nations' actions as their various misdeeds come to light. Assuming anyone is reporting them. Which brings us back to the question of the focus on Israel.You really ought to take a look at our India policy sometime. We're giving development aid (not ESF or military aid, but development aid) to an AVOWED nuclear power, that faces no dire external threat, which is "occupying" Muslim land and engaging in gross human rights violations, and which continues to upgrade and develop new missile systems. All while hundreds of millions of its people live in real misery. And some would add, while they steal jobs from hard-working Americans. That is outrageous, and deserving of a lot more attention. Maybe we could take 10 percent of the media time and space that's been devoted to Israel and direct it at India.

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not sure that "Bush Basher" really is a bush basherwhat IS a bush basher? Is it like a Clinton basher?now back to discussionCraig made some good points but i'd like to pick up on a few:Craig wrote: "As we have discussed before, either in this forum or elsewhere, when it comes to criminality there's a lot bigger fish out there than Sharon and Arafat."Fair point but they're not the top recipient of US foreign assistance. Which goes to your question of why single out Israel? Again, because of the knee-jerk unconditional support from the White House and State Department and the fact that Israel is the number one recipient of foreign assistance. My perspective is as simple as that.Craig wrote: "As for the Leahy amendment, and however its current incarnation reads, I'm sure it has a national security waiver. Is anyone calling for it to be applied?"I'd have to plea ignorance. I wonder if Amnesty International is touching it?Craig wrote: "And why just apply it to Israel? What about all the other countries to whom we give military aid, to whom it could, and perhaps should, be applied?"Oh, agreed! Many countries should get NO US military aid, including Israel: Guatemala, Colombia, Indonesia, Pakistan, etc.Craig wrote: "Which brings us to AIPAC. Powerful group. Have you ever looked at what the Greek lobby is up to? Or the Armenians? Check out the Indians sometime. The Taiwanese do a great job. How about holding legislators accountable for their votes and their positions instead of blaming advocacy groups for representing the views of their membership?"Id' say it's both - legislators and special interests groups that blow chunks.Craig wrote: "There is a lot of selective outrage. To give one example, a few weeks ago, the Russians killed a Chechen leader in one of the Gulf states, I think the UAE. Did the UN condemn it? Did the Muslim world rise up in protest? Were there demonstrations outside Russian embassies around the Middle East? I must have missed it."WOW - I definitely missed it. Please provide a link.I would second your call to Joan for her pop psychoanalysis of Bush.

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Would that be the Committee to Elect John Kerry that Bush and the GOP congress put together? Look, there's enough blame to go around. The politicians are spinning it, but folks ought to try to examine things objectively for themselves.As for the apology, at least someone made one, even if it took MORE THAN TWO YEARS. Presidents are responsible for everything that happens under their administrations, the good as well as the bad. Franklin, in my view, when there is a war going on, political and military leaders are a legitimate target, and going after them is not illegal. My question of whether it was the right thing to do has to do with policy, not "legality."Yes, that means Sharon among others would be a legitimate target. If fact, it would be a refreshing change from blowing up pizza parlors and buses.Only a fool would accept the Yassin "settlement" that you mention. What do you think he had in mind for the next generation?As we have discussed before, either in this forum or elsewhere, when it comes to criminality there's a lot bigger fish out there than Sharon and Arafat.As for the Leahy amendment, and however its current incarnation reads, I'm sure it has a national security waiver. Is anyone calling for it to be applied?And why just apply it to Israel? What about all the other countries to whom we give military aid, to whom it could, and perhaps should, be applied? You and others are focusing on just one particular country, and the reason for that focus, in the case of some people at least, is not particularly admirable.Which brings us to AIPAC. Powerful group. Have you ever looked at what the Greek lobby is up to? Or the Armenians? Check out the Indians sometime. The Taiwanese do a great job. How about holding legislators accountable for their votes and their positions instead of blaming advocacy groups for representing the views of their membership?There is a lot of selective outrage. To give one example, a few weeks ago, the Russians killed a Chechen leader in one of the Gulf states, I think the UAE. Did the UN condemn it? Did the Muslim world rise up in protest? Were there demonstrations outside Russian embassies around the Middle East? I must have missed it.I would second your call to Joan for her pop psychoanalysis of Bush.

The proceedings of the committee to elect John Kerry President continued yesterday, this time with walking contradiction Richard Clarke testifying. This is the guy that wrote the book blaming 9/11 on President Bush and praising Bill Clinton's 8 years of inaction on terrorism as somehow better. What an absolute crock...perhaps he's been hired to revise the Clinton legacy because the facts just aren't on this guy's side. Surprisingly, this egomaniac's head actually fit through the door of the hearing room. Clarke kicked off his testimony with an apology to "the loved ones of the victims of 9/11....your government failed you. Those entrusted with protecting you failed you and I failed you." His statement should have more truthfully been "to the loved ones of the victims of 9/11...the Clinton administration failed you. Prior to the slaughter of your loved ones on 9/11 by Islamic terrorists, Bill Clinton turned down the direct handover of Osama Bin Laden on numerous occasions. The Clinton administration refused to allow the CIA to kill Bin Laden, with only capture as the stated policy. Those entrusted with protecting you, including myself, were abject failures who viewed terrorism as a law enforcement problem. And don't forget to buy my book."

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Joan, i'd be interested in your analysis of Bush.A more serious look at Kerry should be focused on his foreign policy advisor Rand i-never-fought-a-drug-war-i-didn't-like Beers instead of the pop psychology profiles reminiscent of CIA analysis of the de facto years in Haiti.

There’s a term to explain why the clearly haughty and self-important John Kerry repeatedly calls the clearly self-effacing and modest George W. Bush “arrogant.” In psychology, it’s called projection: attributing to others what, in fact, perfectly describes the person hurling the insult. Similarly, there’s a term to explain why Kerry, a lifelong pacifist after his four-month foray in Vietnam, is now trying to convince the public that he would fight the war against terrorism more effectively than President Bush. It’s called self-delusion. Another term explains why Kerry has changed his mind and his votes on just about every critical domestic and foreign policy issue in his 19 years in the Senate. It’s called indecisiveness. Yet another term explains Kerry’s Dean-like outburst – “That’s none of your business!” – when an attendee at a recent forum asked the Democratic candidate to name the foreign leaders he claimed had told him they hoped he wins the election. It’s called thin-skinned (or intemperate, defensive or just plain nasty). One more term explains Kerry’s accusation that President Bush has failed to give our troops adequate support, when in fact the president has increased economic support to veterans by 8 percent and increased defense spending by 10 percent. It’s called lying. To date, the only thing the American public knows about Kerry is that he is a blame-the-other-guy, self-deluding, indecisive, thin-skinned, lying candidate. Is this the “real” John Kerry? The DSM-IV – popularly known as the diagnostic “bible” of the American Psychiatric Association – goes on at length about Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID), in which separate identities take on a life of their own. Changing among those personalities is called "switching," which DID people manage with amazing facility. Whether or not Kerry has this disorder is a moot point. The public has the right to know who the self-described “real deal” John Kerry really is. Is he the guy in full biker regalia who rides his Harley onto the stage of “The Tonight Show” to show his macho side, or the Ivy League esthete who sells his Renoir for campaign funds? Is he the guy who uses the “f” word in a Rolling Stone interview to show how hip he is, or the one who imitates President Kennedy to convey an air of elegance? Is he the guy who says he’s “strong” on defense, or the guy who voted against every major weapons system in our military and against increased defense spending after the bombings of the World Trade Center in 1993, the Khobar Towers in Saudi Arabia in 1996, the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998, the USS Cole in 2000, and – two weeks after Sept. 11, 2001 – the World Trade Center and the Pentagon? Is he the guy who claims to identify with the economic plight of “regular” Americans, or the wealthiest member of the Senate (married to one heiress and then another) who lives the high life in multimillion-dollar homes and on yachts? Is he the guy who tells you that, after Bill Clinton, he will be the second black president, or the guy who, unlike Clinton, only spends time in black churches when he’s on the campaign trail? Is he the guy who is a born-and-bred Catholic, or the guy with Jewish blood coursing through his veins who has taken pains not to reveal his heritage? This fact was exposed in fascinating detail in a Boston Globe article in 2002 but never picked up by the “mainstream” media. Now, on the campaign trail, Kerry is starting to speak before Jewish audiences of his Jewish “roots.” Is he the guy who invokes highfalutin oratory when he’s in front of the camera, or the guy who tells a crowd – “not knowing” that his microphone is on – that his opponents are crooks and liars? Is he the guy who wants terrorists to lose their war against America, or the guy who has voted against the $87 billion to support our troops in Iraq (“I voted for it before I voted against it!”)? Significantly, Kerry was rated by the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Security Policy “among the worst” legislators on national security and defense, with a score of 5 out of a possible 100. More recently, they rated him zero! Is he the guy who wants Americans to believe he will make our country safer, or the guy whose campaign promises are aired on Al Jazeera and whose candidacy has been endorsed by the arch-terrorist Yasser Arafat; the murderous Communist leader of North Korea, Kim Jong-il; the virulently anti-Semitic and America-hating prime minister of Malaysia, Mahathir Mohamad, and the new terrorist-appeasing president of Spain, Jose Luis Zapatero, who Kerry urged to “stay the course”? What course? Abandoning Spain’s commitment to fighting terrorism in Iraq, withdrawing its troops and joining the “global community” of appeasers, including the United Nations, which Kerry to this day embraces. Today, predictably, candidate Kerry has distanced himself from Spain, the better to convince the American public that he is not the socialist he really is! It now appears that Kerry – with advice from the “scorched earth” tacticians of the Clinton crowd – is nothing more than a sleight-of-hand magician who wants you to believe that the rabbits he pulls out of his campaign hat are “the real thing.” Magic, however, is not reality but illusion – cloaked in an ever-so-thin veil of credibility. Some people will settle for illusion, but most people know when they’re being snookered! Given his pathological inability to make up his mind, it is no mystery why Kerry has yet to offer any credible policy that will lead our nation to victory over the terrorists who have targeted us for annihilation, or – save for encroaching socialism – any suggestion that will improve our recovering economy or enhance our education or health-care systems. In short, Kerry appears to be a “false personality” – a function of what experts call “externally influenced ambition.” This means that he is so driven by the need to fit in, to be popular, to get votes, to keep himself front and center that he’ll do and say anything to advance his own – not the nation’s – agenda. Kerry is not the first “complicated” man to run for office. The history of the American presidency includes many men whose characters, mindsets, motives and “track records” were appropriately questioned on the campaign trail. Unlike Kerry, however, few had such a lengthy history in elective office – a history that now gives the public a uniquely birds-eye view of what it can expect from a Kerry presidency. This is not a man the public has to guess about, unless, that is, you believe that Kerry’s “inner” intentions are what matters and his behavior doesn’t, or that his votes, statements, flip-flopping, explanations, rationalizations and backtracking are less important than his track record. The eminent ethicist and psychiatrist Willard Gaylin could well have been speaking to Kerry when, in a 1977 op-ed New York Times article, he said, “You are, for the most part, what you seem to be; not what you would wish to be, nor, indeed, what you believe yourself to be.” Gaylin continued: “The inner man is a fantasy. Like any fantasy, it serves your purposes alone. It has no standing in the real world that we share with each other. Those character traits, those attitudes, that behavior – that strange and alien stuff sticking out all over you – that's the real you!” If history is any guide, Americans overwhelmingly prefer leaders who are “a#####ntic” personalities, such as George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, Harry Truman, Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush, all of whom took office in history-altering times. And all for the better!

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Haven’t heard any feedback from you boys regarding the Pro-Terrorist Rallies last weekend. How did they turn out?

Are members of Blowback encouraging - officially or unofficially - any creative political protest with April Fool's Day approaching? I'm polishing one for here in DC regarding DC gov. and education issues. Anyone interested?

One day after counterterrorism expert Richard Clarke's well-documented criticism of the Bush Administration's lackadaisical attitude towards terrorism, the White House is deploying top officials in a vicious barrage of personal attacks on a man with 30 years of public service under four Presidents. The attacks reveal the vicious tactics this Administration uses to intimidate and threaten truth-tellers, but is so filled with inconsistencies, contradictions and lies that it actually bolsters Clarke's credibility. As Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) said, "This is a serious book written by a serious professional who's made serious charges, and the White House must respond to these charges" – something that, despite the personal attacks, the White House has not yet done. See American Progress's full rundown of the Administration's distortions yesterday, and internal Justice Department/FBI documents substantiating Clarke's claims. Also, see American Progress National Security Policy Director Bob Boorstin's new column

off shore shooting at the Hitlers in Headscarves!!! Gotta love it

i'm glad you recognize that it was not a good idea on Israel's part to carry out an extrajudicial execution - assassination is assasination, illegal period.my understanding is that Yassin was not the commander of Hamas and that Hamas has a non-terrorist wing, much like the IRA had Sein Fein.further, i understand that Yassin had agreed that at least for this generation, having Israel withdraw from Gaza and the West Bank was an acceptable outcome. That position is no different from that of the UN.i don't think Bin Laden should be extrajudicially executed, whether he's in a wheelchair or not. I do think he should be tried in a court of law. AS should Pinochet, as should have been Somoza, Cedras, Constant (who runs around in Queens), and Sharon, yes Sharon. I suppose you'll add Arafat.Your points still do not address the deplorable fact that the US is complicit in the assasination of Yassin - both by its silence and by the fact that its equipment was used to carry out the deed. Wasn't there something called the Leahy Amendment?Of course it won't be invoked because then AIPAC will make sure it is stricken from the books.

interesting semantics. The pope (more or less) is a "wheel-chair bound elder." Yassin was the commander of a terrorist organization committed to the destruction of Israel. Does is follow that if bin Laden should find himself in a wheelchair, attacking him is out of bounds? Pinochet runs around in a wheel-chair, winning sympathy. But not mine.Somoza was blown up by a round fired from a bazooka. I shed no tears for him either.None of which necessarily means that it was a good idea on the part of the Israelis to carry out this action.

The great tragedy is that the State of Israel, in the name of its security and the dead-end logic of the-end-justifies-the-means, assassinated a wheel-chair bound elder thus further stoking the flames. Sharon will likely escape as will his generals when the inevitable wave of revenge killings descends on Israel. The price will be paid by the children of Israel and unarmed civilians.Instead of learning from that, the Bush team emulates. And remains quiet in the face of what was clearly an assassination, brought to you with US-made weapons. Thus, the Bush reluctance to criticize, further makes the US an accomplice in this most stupid act. He of course will more than likely escape any revenge attempt, but unarmed civilians will not.This is so very stupid. Those who scream most about security are the ones making everything that much more insecure.

Too many times through age and generations civilizations have come and gone and things have remained the same not because we did not want to change the bad to the good, but because we as a nation become incapacitated under a hostile government who instead of opening the doors for public information sought on seveal fronts including U.S. energy policy formulation, the bush/cheney administration has remained distant from its obligatory responsibility owed to Congress and the PeopleOn March 20,2003, the bush/cheney/Rice/Rumsfeld republican administration acted on a unilateral assault on the country of Iraq claiming the "imminent threat" of "weapons of mass destruction" when the real "weapons of mass destruction have been made available to Israel by the United States under bush/cheney to commit political targeted savage and brutal assasinationswhere nobody is safe in a mosque while the country of Israel continues to be funded by the american terrorist government of bush/cheney to commit its offensive murder plot on targeted citizens in Palestine the land where "jesus walked"Today watching the horrific actions by Israel on a handicapped and invalid citizen on a wheel chair, killing him by assassination to the eyes of the world and the "children of abraham" in the coldest bloody murder to end the peace process because by ending the peace process the song of the terrorist will never be overSo world terrorism has been unleashed and no longer is the United States or Israel safe because Ariel Sharon thought that by assassinating a leader of his people in his country he would be quieting a powerful voice who left all his diciples behind and by assassinating this great image to his people and followers thousands of terrorists have just been born ready to die in the name of revenge! for this massacre committed by Ariel SharonIt was not necessary Mr. Sharon to kill in kold blood this man coming from praying to his GOD, it was not merciful Mr. Sharon to using american military weapons attack and assault and assassinate a dfenseless victim on a wheelchair it was coward and it was brutal and it was savage and Ariel Sharon should know that his thirst for terrorism is bound to unleash world terrorismOH, BUT THIS IS WHAT BUSH AND SHARON WANTED, THEY WANTED TO DISTABILIZE WORLD PEACE ON THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE WORLD SO THAT THE TERRORISTS COULD COMMIT MASSIVE MURDERS SO THAT SHARON AND BUSH COULD MAKE UP ISSUES LIKE IRAQ TO EXPLOIT THE AMERICAN MONEY BAG USING AMERICAN BLOODSHED for what is this bloodbath in Iraq other than bush's political satanismI feel it was a big mistake to have taken for granted the massive revenge revolt this brutality by Ariel Sharon will cause so let it be understood that we the people in the U.S. we are innocent of what the bush provokes by giving Israel foreign aid and I condemn to hades Ariel Sharon for doing this murder in Palestine and for crossing over into Palestinian land to commit such brutal murder of a man on a wheel chairI condemn the bush/cheney administration also to hades, for allowing Israel to commit this unecessary slaughter which will bring big repurcussions and for giving Israel the weapons to commit murder in Palestine because I believe in my heart that unless the Palestinian People have been provoked by forced Israeli military occupation, they would have had no reason to seek vengence in their acts since forced Israeli occupation so yes Israel thou has been abusing the Palestinian People and thy has unjustly and inhumanely subjected the Palestinian Free People to hostile and unjust curfews where these free people have been imprisoned in their homes by the tyrant dictatorship of the Hitler Sharon to the eyes of the world and all under the blanket of security measuresI THINK ITS TIME TO ASK ARIEL SHARON ABOUT HIS CRIMES IN LEBANON AND ASK THE INTERNATIONAL TRIBUNAL COURT TO TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THE DARK PAST OF ARIEL SHARON IN LEBANON BEFORE BECOMING THE DICTATOR FOR ISRAEL BECAUSE SURELY,now the road to peace is dead thanks to Ariel Sharon who has scared his people with the own Israeli terrorism committed in Palestineor did you all not know that Israel has planted terrorists in Palestine to commit violence and then blame it on the persecuted political groups who have only been forced to become terrorists, due to Israel's land grabbing ways of wanting to own the people and enslave them with curfewsHEY FAT SHARON, HOW ABOUT SETTING A CURFEW ON YOUR FAMILY AND HOW ABOUT THINKING ABOUT THE PALESTINIAN CHILDREN STARVING IN THEIR BOMBARDED HUTS, WHILE YOU FATTEN THY FAT GUT HAVE YOU NO MERCY IN THY BLACK SATANIC HEART SHARON? AND YOU BUSH, YOU ANTI CHRIST AMERICAN SATANAS,,,,,,,,,, do you think that you fool all of us and do you think it has not become apparent you approved the jamas leader assassination? AND JUST WHO IN THE HELL IS THE UNITED STATES TELLING THE WORLD THAT THEY ARE "ASKING THAT PRESIDENT ARAFAT NOT BE KILLED?" The United States under bush/cheney would do well to know that we have as a country no right to order assassinations using foreign aid to weaponize a brutal nation who has blood on their mind 24 hours a day and we cannot afford to become terrorists targets because bush and sharon want a terror platform to scare the people because hey TERRORISTS, please do not harm the innocent children, because you know who has been the devil in this generation and Iknow your anger is greater than all the pollution in the United States, and that you have a right to self defense but please leave the children out of danger and please dont hurt my country because we are hostage to a plot beyond explanation by the republican party who has forcefully occupied the Whitehouse through appointmentbecause let us never forget george bush has ransacked the surplus has had over 500 american troops killed and sent back in coffins, has placed soldiers on live land mines where american kids in uniform lost their limbs and will never be the same again, and has totally abandoned the lower and middle classes of society and caused massive joblessness so that by the time he and Ariel Sharon would terroriZe the world, this would have had taken place to the eyes of the world and about the food for oil program cheney needs to tell us what he and Halliburton or how much they ransacked with Saddam Hussein OH BUT THEY THOUGHT THAT BY ATTACKING IRAK AND KILLING SADDAM HUSSEIN THEY WOULD QUIET SADDAM HUSSEIN ABOUT HOW DEEP CHENEY HAS HIS HANDS IN THE FOOD FOR OIL PROGRAM COME ON CHENEY YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT ITS ALL HIDING UNDER THE BUSH CARPET,,,,,,,,,,,,,,LETS FIND IT yes let us get to the bottom of the republican plot allowing and permitting Ariel Sharon to commit dangerous assasinations who have now placed americans at risk because george bush has blood fever and because he could have stopped this assassination he is as guilty as Ariel Sharon and what did you think bush, that you could distract the world with a hit on the Taiwan President? Maybe the plot is so big that bush really thinks he can go around knocking leaders he dont like down from office either by war or targeted assassinations like Ariel Sharon doesIf the american people dont stop george bushterrorists will because Ariel Sharon has forced them to become terrorists, like bush forced terror in Iraq, now the terrors will join because only a holy war can stop the two beasts and demonios Sharon and bush

Are you talking about bill clinton’s cyber dick ?? The fellow who was at the helm during 2 embassy bombings, dropped bombs on an aspirin factory and did nothing before or after the USS Cole bombing?? That dick clark?? The disgruntled employee who didn’t get his promotion under Bush II?? Franklin reaching for straws again……….

now now children, settle downwhat do people think about Richard Clarke's account that Bush was asleep at the wheel before 9/11 and pushing Iraq after?oh by the way, Clarke was Bush's TOP counterterrorism official, having served in counterterrorism since Reagan...Wow, another high level Bush official saying Bush was AWOL on counterterrorism... Must be the lead in DC's water.

The retirement of Richard Clarke is appropriate to the reality of the war on terror. Years ago, Clarke bet his national security career on the idea that electronic war was going to be real war. He lost, because as al Qaeda and Iraq have shown, real action is still of the blood and guts kind. In happier times prior to 9/11, Clarke -- as Bill Clinton's counter-terror point man in the National Security Council -- devoted great effort to convincing national movers and shakers that cyberattack was the coming thing. While ostensibly involved in preparations for bioterrorism and trying to sound alarms about Osama bin Laden, Clarke was most often seen in the news predicting ways in which electronic attacks were going to change everything and rewrite the calculus of conflict. http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/143

Listening to Bordertex talk about Israel is kind of like listening to David Duke talk about race relations.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. Estas indispuesta? Pobrecita ...Have you nothing more for me than childish name-calling? Tu eres nada mas de una cabrita fea con miedo. Our economy is constantly growing. Why else would your hero Vincente Fox force his peoples on us? Wimps in office, you say, I agree. Kick Senor Fox to el 'curbo'!!!Queremos conocer, just how exactly were you fighting for clean air and water? HOW? "you think because a person has a computer like most of the rest of the world it is a thing to criticize if you did not thing I was worthy of possessing such elektronic device and way of communication with the rest of the world?" Oh no, Querida. You miss my point. For the loss of jobs to your Mexican bretheren, to the poverty you claim is ruining our country, some how you - the lowest of the low - still manage. Guess what, cabrita, not everyone in the world has a PC. Perhaps you should research what it means to be poor outside of the US. What makes me worthy? I do, myself. I don't need the g'd gov't to validate my worth or anyone else. I earn a damn good living without the benefits of minority status -- more importantly, I have a loving husband, a beautiful son, a big home, & 'nice' cars -- compliments of only my & my husband's hard work. Gee, cabrita bordernut gordita , what makes you worthy? What do you have to be proud of? "soon we are going to remove these vomitous frauds ..." "ransacked the surplus by with overgenerosity to the upper classes with tax breaks to the rich" ... Again, blah, blah, blah. The tax cuts to the rich were the smallest. Obviously, you're too estupida to be rich, which is subjective anyway. And I sure like to see your proof of Cheney or Bush profiting from the Iraqi war. You are so lame. Ya know what, bordertex, AKA cabrita fea, you are most tiresome. I cannot even keep up with your LIES and self delusion. However, I do believe that you are in league with the Devil when you say that you are "going to send a pack of demons to visit".

today what should not have happened took place because we live in a country who through american foreign aid, the country of Israel has been funded through american foreign aid to slaughter Palestinian civilians and commit political targeted assassinations with our american foreign aid and if the american people dont stop george bush and ariel sharon there will be a big world terrorism unleashing where nobody will be safeOH BUT THIS IS WHAT BUSH LOVES, HE LOVES TO MANIPULATE THE COUNTRY WITH TERROR AFTER ALLOWINT IT TO TAKE PLACEtoday, Israel thinks the world does not notice that Israel no longer respects religious tradition and when the distance to peace talks gets closer some body gets killed by an Israeli missile like today the assassination of the Jamas leader which I think was a big mistakeA big mistake for Israel and its counterparts in this assault on the people of Palestine who are tired of the subjection to jewish curfews yes ariel sharon you have no right to imprison the people in their homes with the terror of your weapons of mass destruction HEY EVERYONE WE DONT HAVE TO LEAVE ISRAEL TO FIND THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION WHICH ISRAEL IS USING WITH THE FUNDING OF AMERICAN FOREIGN AIDand why are we allowing Israel to use weapons like missiles weapons of mass destruction on Palestine? surely there is something wrong when Mr. bush takes control of Iraq and subjects them to the same misery Ariel Sharon subjects the Palestinian people and children of abrahamsurely, there is some plot by the american government and Israel to subject everyone to terror with our american terrorism only this time Israel went too far but george bush and sharon would love for a big terrorist war to errupt this way mr. bush could hide the half a million dead Iraqi soldiers with the world terrorism he and sharon unleashed because they did not know when and where to stop in their greed to control the worldIT WILL NOT HAPPEN ISRAEL IT WILL NOT HAPPEN BECAUSE YOUR LAND IS ALREADY CURSED BY JESUSand you can kill all the Palestinians and stain thy hands with their blood, thy shall never get forgivness Mr. sharon nor shall the door to the kingdom of Paradise be open to ariel sharon or george bush, the biggest traitors to the world

Look at the nice people in S.F. celebrating their first amendment rights. This is why radical leftists are hated by mainstream Americans. I am sure the nice musicians, lobbyists, etc. won’t quite understand this but that’s OK.http://users.lmi.net/zombie/sf_rally_march_20_2004/anti-american/117-1743_IMG.JPGhttp://users.lmi.net/zombie/sf_rally_march_20_2004/anti-american/117-1723_IMG4.jpghttp://users.lmi.net/zombie/sf_rally_march_20_2004/anti-american/118-1847_IMG.JPG

HA, HA, HA!!! I have never posted here, but dumb ass bordertex can't keep her commentaries straight! The typical Democrat voter!!! Maybe she lives in Floriduh!

Hey Bordertex, you anti-Semite pendejo, I in no way blamed the Democrats for Bush's failings.

Where were the exploited Third World Workers who are starving in the corporate sweatshops starving before the evil corporations put in the sweatshops for them to starve in? How do the evil corporations get the Workers to starve in the sweatshops? Do they send an army out along with the jobs to force the Workers to come to the sweatshop to starve? PS: YOU ARE HEREBY ON NOTICE that I am willing to mow your yard for 585.00 per hour. I will even provide my own tools and equipment!You are an evil Capitalist blood-sucking bastard IF YOU DON'T HIRE ME RIGHT NOW TO MOW YOUR GOD-DAMNED SOCIALIST YARD! IT DOESN'T NEED MOWED, YOU SAY? I'LL BE THE JUDGE OF THAT! YOU MOW IT YOURSELF, YOU SAY?? YOU CAN GET IT DONE BETTER FOR LESS, YOU SAY????? HOW DARE YOU OUTSOURCE MY JOB, YOU GOD-DAMNED SCABBER!!! YOU EXPLOITIVE MONSTER! YOU EVIL HEARTLESS MONEY-GRUBBING EXPLOITER OF THE LITTLEPERSYN!!I'M OF A MIND TO GET UP A RIOTOUS MOB TO BURN YOUR HOUSE AND PLOW UP YOUR YARD, YOU DIRTY ROTTEN PIGBOSS SLAVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some of you (craig) may want to blame the democrats for what the bush failed policies have caused our country but those of us who know the truth know that this 2004 election is not about what the Democrats did or did not do, or what the republicans did or did not do during their tyrant reign in Congressthis election is the retaliation for the bush/cheney failed policies and together America with our children and all future generations we shall remove from office those who have knowingly and intentionally caused harm in our country like 9-11 which george bush allowed to happenso lets get one thing clear "chica" you who likes to put all the bad blames in our country on the Democrats, that for one if today the winters are longer and the sun refuses to come out in some parts of the country it is because the atmosphere is clogged up with the bush/cheney pollution they allowed their polluter contributors to give our country so that serious cases of asthma can be atributed to polluted air being breathed by almost all Americans BECAUSE appointed "presidents" never knew the meaning of the EPA and instead allowed the polluters to take over the Whitehouse as george bush has done so lets be fair "chica"because first of all it was under the republican leadership of georgebush/ cheney/and all the republican party under which the twin tower terror happened on september 11,2001 yet Mr. bush had an opportunity in "april of 2001" to warn New York but intstead Mr. bush gave us 9-11 as if planning the terror to match with the emergency number in the United States I personally think after watching and following the rabid republican party since 1992 that there is a big plot to force our country to accept the hitlerstyle of bush and WE AS AMERICANS ARE NOT GOING TO LET HITLER JR. DRAG US INTO FURTHER MILITARY CONFRONTATIONS GOING AT IT ALL ALONE AND FOR YOU! to dare to imply through any means the idea that the United Nations is unecessary is absolutely insane and shall not be permitted because the United Nations is there to take on big causes like IRAQ OR WHAT DOES BUSH INTEND TO DO KEEP OUR SOLDIERS THERE IN SPITE OF THE WAR BEING DECLARED OVER SINCE MAY OF 2003? george bush would do the country a favor by removing himself from office for thinking he culd rape our minds our rights and our country the way he has done to the eyes of America but no longer are americans blind to the failed disastrous economic failures in our country due to this incompetent george bush who needs to bekicked out of office so stop trying to dust all the republican fraud on the democrats and if nothing else know this:The american people in the United States are not prepared to put up with another four year terror reign by the bush/cheney camp and we are going to vote all this vomitous republicans out of office so that never again can they be in a position to manipulate the needed legislature without drowning needed bills with poison pills the favoriate cheap betray by there republicans, FILL EVERY BILL WITH POISON PILLS OR TO THE UNFAMILIAR WITH THE TERM, UNRELATED LEGISLATIVE BUSINESS/PORK BILLS ATTACHED TO GOOD NEEDED LEGISLATURE WHERE EVERY STEP ALONG THE WAY THESE REPUBLICANS HAVE MANAGED TO EXPLOIT EVERYTHING FROM THE INK ON THE PAPER TO FAVORITE MOVES FOR THEIR LOBBYISTS AT THE EXPENSE OF AMERICAN INSECURITY BECAUSE WE CANNOT BE SECURE WHILE THE BIGGEST FRAUDS REMAIN IN OFFICE AND WE MUST STRIFE TO UNDERSTAND THAT IT IS NOT THE FAULT OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY THE U.S. SUPREME COURT APPOINTED MR.BUSH TO OFFICE BUT IT WILL BE OUR FAULT IF WE DONT GET UP AND ROUND UP THE VOTES IN TEXAS AND EVERYWHERE AROUND THE COUNTRY TO SEND JOHN KERRY TO THE PRESIDENCY SO THAT ONCE AND FOR ALL WE CAN REMOVE THE IRON REPUBLICAN FOOT OFF FROM OUR NECKS WHERE NO NEEDED LAWS WERE MADE SINCE THE VOMIT REPUBLICANS HAVE BEEN IN OFFICE BUT WHEN IT COMES TO SPECIAL INTERESTS, THESE CORPORATIONS AND COMPANIES, MANAGED TO BUILD HIGHWAYS TO SUIT THEIR PRIVATE LAND NEEDS AND THIS IS JUST THE NAME OF THE EXPLOITATION OF A COUNTRY UNDER THE SEIGE OF WORSE THAN REBELS REPUBLICAN FRAUDS ERRAND BOYS FOR CORPORATIONSso hey bush I know you hate to be reminded but you were governor of Texas when ENRON got away with paying taxes in Texas ripping of thousand of ENRON investors oh come on bush you remember this fraud in Texas

I'm surprised Bordertex didn't find some way to blame the Mossad. That would fit his prior anti-Semitic posting.Franklin, Clinton admin warnings to the incoming Bush team about bin Laden have been widely reported.

LOOK LETS GET REALalmost everyone in the United States and abroad knows that by the time the big questions arose as to how truthful george bush had been to this country regarding the unilateral/solo assaut on Iraq absent the United NationsCONGRESS HAD ALREADY BEEN MISLED by the bush/cheney administrationAS WELL AS THE AMERICAN PEOPLand lets not forget that these Senators who voted against exploiting our tax dollars in an unwarranted unjust and unpopular unilateral assault on Iraq in the millions upon billionsDid so after the big question of the deception by the bush/cheney administration began to grow worldwide and here in the United States regarding the real reasons for going to Iraq and the fact that by attacking Iraqthe bush/cheney administration would be taking the eyes of the world and the concern of the country from exactly the american terrorism of the twin towers george bush allowed to happenSO LETS GET REALif george bush had followed the intelligence advice of "april 2001" perhaps thousands of twin tower terror victims would be alive todayoh but then, on whose blood and murder would the bush/cheney administration have built their political platform on? WHY THE BUSH/CHENEY ADMINISTRATION FAILED TO WARN NEW YORK?curiously enough there was also a big question surrounding some secret deals going on between Iraq and Cheney at the time chief of Halliburton during which,under the "food for oil program" Mr. Cheney did something that by the persecution of Saddam Hussein the plot was to eventually bring Saddam down so that the american media on March 19, 2004 in the midst of all the media commotion managed to blame on Saddam Hussein the "theft of 10 billion dollars through the food for oil program"AND MY QUESTION TO BUSH/CHENEY IS: WAS THIS THE REASON YOU ALL DESTROYED SADDAM AND IRAQ AND BLAMED IT ON THE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION TO DIVERT ATTENTION FROM THE REAL THIEFS BEHIND THE FOOD FOR OIL PROGRAM IN IRAQ?or is this the american hitleratism of george bush to cover up their theft during the food for oil program in Iraq or does Mr. Cheney really think he can hide the fact his hands were in the dough with Saddam when they both irresponsibly abused the "food for oil program?"if george bush and cheney thought that by destroying Iraq and blaming all the "food for oil program" theft on Saddam Hussein we were going to be fooled guess what Mr. Bush? BIG QUESTIONS REMAIN AS TO THE INVOLVEMENT OF CHENEY IN THE FOOD FOR OIL PROGRAM IN IRAQ and how involved was cheney to the point of allowing 9-11 to happen to run to Iraq to finish off the only one who could point the finger at Cheney?I WOULD HOPE A WAR TRIBUNAL ALLOWS THE TESTIMONY OF SADDAM HUSSEIN TO INCLUDE THE IDENTIFY OF HIS COUNTERPARTS HERE IN THE UNITED STATES because this is critical information for the people in the United States and the citizenry who has through the abuse of the bush/cheney failed policies suffered the consequences of failed administration we are going to remove from office for beingthe biggest frauds in historyLook at the pictures they photoshopped to look real beacuse they are LIARS and will lie to YOU all the time when the have a chance http://images.indymedia.org/imc/uk/jihad.jpg

from today's New York Times, repeated warnings to the Bush team - yes, the election stealers - that Al Queda posed a major security threat and the Bushies failed to take it seriously - no wonder the Bush team didn't want the creation of the commission to investigate 9/11:http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/20/politics/20PANE.html?ththe article's lead:WASHINGTON -- March 19 — Senior Clinton administration officials called to testify next week before the independent commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks say they are prepared to detail how they repeatedly warned their Bush administration counterparts in late 2000 that Al Qaeda posed the worst security threat facing the nation — and how the new administration was slow to act. They said the warnings were delivered in urgent post-election intelligence briefings in December 2000 and January 2001 for Condoleezza Rice, who became Mr. Bush's national security adviser; Stephen Hadley, now Ms. Rice's deputy; and Philip D. Zelikow, a member of the Bush transition team, among others.

crux of the bisquit of why the left will continue it's downward spiral--------"Franklin Post 865:--- or when his [President Bush] team stole the 2000 election"LMFAO.........They need to get over it already! He "stole" nothing. Gore however tried and failed. These guys are living in a haze

I didn't mean to suggest that Weiner's article was the authoritative report of all that happened in Haiti; I referenced it for the Bob White quote. Here's a link from the Center's website: http://www.iht.com/articles/131899.html

By the way, don't forget to join the countless demonstrations tomorrow, marking the one year occupation of the oedipal war for oil. a good site to find the demo nearest you:http://unitedforpeace.org

Tim Weiner, while generally good, is not the final say on what happened, as much as the New York Times would like to think of itself as the final say of what happened.Do you have a link of what Bob White had to say about Aristide? For broader info: Robert White was US Ambassador to El Salvador who was forced out by Ronald Reagan for raising the issue of human rights violations being committed by the US-sponsored Salvadoran Army and National Guard. He created the Center for International Policy which is a pretty good outfit; they've been a true friend of Haiti and pushed on reform and democracy issues well after the NGOs lost interest once Aristide was returned in 1994.I agree on your supposition about Iraq - that it stands to reason that those who supported Bush on the WMD claims would be upset that they were misled. But i think any person who knew Bush was lying, as when he claimed that he was a "uniter, not a divider" or when his team stole the 2000 election, would be pissed off that billions are being spent, thousands of lives have been lost, and all for what?Hussein is gone - that's great, but at what cost?

Just to remind folks of Bordertex's anti-Semitic remark, he referred to "THOSE CURLY HEAD JEWS HITTING AND POUNDING THEIR HEAD ON THE WAILING WALL FOR BEING THE RACE WHO CRUCIFIED CHRIST"Blatant, out and out, good old-fashioned anti-Semitism.Franklin, as I recall I argued that some good could come out of US intervention in Iraq. I also stated a number of concerns about the way it was being done. But I would think that the people who would be most upset about Bush's lies would be those who were persuaded to support him on the basis of his arguments.As for Aristide's departure, if an investigation can get at the truth of it, fine. But he is not credible. If you missed Tim Weiner's piece in the NY Times shortly after Aristide left Haiti, you should check out what Bob White had to say about him.

yes, Mr. Bordertex, you are sometimes cluttering the site with useless postings. which wouldn't be so bad if you weren't also cluttering it with anti-semitic crap.the saudi history might be of interest to some but in the future, just post the link instead of cutting and pasting the entire article - when it's that long.but this piece below is quite a bit of rant and ravefor Craig: once again, it seems that the US is setting the world agenda - i believe you argued that the war in Iraq was a good thing and that someone, namely the US, needed to take Saddam out. Nice mess your rationale led to. Same with Aristide. But perhaps we could both agree that there needs to be an independent investigation into the circumstances leading to Aristide's departure from Haiti, as some in CARICOM have suggested.

And for those peoples like craig, yes you craig the world is talking and people are thinking whether it was really necessary to lose so many american jobs since bush got appointed to office?and why did many Corporations begin massive lay offs since the day bush was forced into office? hundreds and thousands of people remain today unemployed due to the bad bush policy making decisions and the only ones getting rich are the upper classes of society the ones who dont need a tax break and who depend on the working class to survive otherwise who would they bleed?Many are also wondering when the human slaughter in Palestine will be stopped and why is the United States Government giving Israel american bombs and ammunition to assault the Palestinian people under american foreign aid when foreign aid is said should not be used for "offensive means?"Clearly something is dreadfully wrong when for generations upon generations Israel has been slaughtering the Palestinian people and imprisoned them with the jewish curfews while the people in the United States wonder what is going on in our world when the gay community is trying to take over because seriously no thought has been given to the children involved in same sex marriages and what this deviation from the normal status of the hetereosexual community means to all future generationsUnder the Bush/Cheney administration and during their tyrant short reign, many things took place in our country including the fact that homosexual people tried to change society and the status of man and woman while a war was going on because this is what happens when wimps and their corporate controls are in the Whitehouse or who do you all think is making the decisions for bush?certainly not that one who has to read the speeches Condi writes for him so who is this dictatorstyle Candoleeza who thinks she can force her pimp down our states where our counties are suffereing the consequences of bush's job loss? Candoleeza Rice and her garbage talk can go to hell as far as I am concerned and this woman needs to understand that we are not the fools she thinks we are no Candoleeza you are not pulling the wool over our eyes and you can fry in hell with bush and his insane agenda this you can do pendeja thinking you could fool us woman? just who in the hell do you think youre tallking too when you try to continue this bush terror reign through CNN?The american people need to change the current of the agenda of the country otherwise tomorrow it may be too late and nobody should allow any president no matter who he is, to drag us into a war into a foreign nations placing all our country at risk of suicide missions in a time where terror through the american terrorism of george bush, has been unleashed because this is the only thing self defense calls for or why are we occupying by force Iraq and yet have forgotten about the weapons of mass destruction agenda? MR.BUSH YOU CANNOT FORCE AMERICAN OCCUPATION IN IRAQ AND NOT EXPECT RETALIATION THIS WOULD BE INSANE so bush,,,,,,,,,you are going out of office you bastard lying who lied to the Country to steal our billions as he did,,,,,,,,,,,,and he wants to question why we question where did all the billions go in Iraq if not to Halliburton the oil company connected to cheney the bush appointed "vice president" just who was that crooked mouth yesterday? nothing but the big chief at Halliburton and now he rakes in a profit from our tax dollars mr. bush took to Iraq in federal contracts, what more fraud and crime can we ask for when halliburton is in Iraq this minute to the eyes of the world and cheney belongs to halliburton and you want us to what CandoleeZa,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,start packign your rags out of office for being the biggest error committed in his only term in office because this shall be the will of the people for the sake of the preservation of the human race throughout eternity..........................

Another useless posting from Bordertex, who seemingly can't express a coherent, consistent, concise opinion. Franklin, I would suggest, just for the sake of argument, that you would have opposed the war regardless. And Aristide would be dead if we hadn't "intervened," which would have put an end to any concerns about his returning. And Haiti would be in chaos. Which is not to say that there isn't a lot to criticize in how we got to that point.As for the hostages in Colombia, which ones? I can't keep track of them all.

Are these some of the pigs you will be marching with this protest season as you call it?This article on the history of how a gang of thieves and robbers established their very own Kingdom on the Arabian Peninsula. It was written by Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammed, a rival Islamist in London. Saudism & Wahabism(source: http://www.obm.clara.net/arabia-3.html)In 1740, Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul Wahhab (his father was a judge) calledon Muslims to return to the original form of Islam (in accordance with hisunderstanding) but the scholars of the Islamic state at that time (i.e. ofthe Ottomani Khilafah) rejected some of his views because they appeared tocontradict the divine texts and the views of the classical scholars of themain (Mazaahib) schools of thought in Islam i.e. those of Hanafi, Maliki,Shafi'ie and Hanbali. Then he started to abuse the Islamic schools ofthought and labeled those who disagreed with him as Murtadd (apostate), orMushrik (polytheist). Initially he was disciplined by the scholars and wasto face prosecution. He then sought protection in the town of Diriyah,which was ruled unlawfully by the rebellious Muhammad Bin Saud, head ofAl-A'nnza tribe and a member of the prominent Al-Saud family, an enemy ofthe Ottomani Khilafah. The partnership between these two men eventuallyled to the foundation of so-called Saudi Arabia today.1740-1747, Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul Wahhab was preaching his views andseverely criticising and attacking the Ottomani Khilafah. This continuousattack was beautiful music to the ears of the rebellious Muhammad BinSaud.In 1747, The Amir Muhammad Bin Saud declared full support and adoption ofSheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul-Wahhaabs ideas and views. This led to theformulation of a tribal authority (Imaarah Qabaliyyah) under the politicalleadership of the rebellious Muhammad Bin Saud and the Spiritualleadership of Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul-Wahhaab. The Sheikh was callingfor and teaching his views i.e. the Wahhabi Mazhab or School of thought,while the rebellious Muhammad Ibn-Saud was ruling and judging with them.(The scholars refer to this alliance as the Wahhabi Movement).1747-1755, The Wahhabi movement spread its authority under the leadershipof the rebellious Muhammad Bin Saud. They raided and controlled manyvillages while forcing the Wahhabi views.In 1755, British forces tried to occupy Kuwait but failed.In 1757, the rebellious Muhammad Bin Saud defeated the Amir of Al-Ihsaacity and controlled the Whole of Diriyah.In 1765, The rebellious Muhammad Bin Saud died; his son Abdul-Azizsucceeded him.In 1765, Abdul-Aziz Bin Muhammad, became the pirate leader of Al-Diriyahand head of the A'nnza tribe..In 1767, The Wahhabi movement started to move towards controlling Arabia.In 1786, British forces tried to occupy Kuwait again but failed due to thetactical defending of the army of the Ottomani Khilafah.In 1787, Abdul-Aziz Bin Muhammad In a large public gathering chaired bySheikh Muhammad bin Abdul-Wahaab, formed a new type of inherited authority(Wilayat ul-A'hed) based on the Wahhabi views and declared himself leaderof the Muslims (while the true leader was the Khaleef who was inIstanbul). Then the pirate leader Abdul-Aziz Bin Muhammad appointed hisson Saud as the Khalifah after him. Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul-Wahaabagreed to this illegitimate pirate authority and passed his illegitimateFatwa of Jihad against the Ottomani Khilafah.In 1788, The pirate leader Abdul-Aziz Bin Muhammad with the military helpof the British prepared a huge army of Wahhabis with British forces,attacked Kuwait and occupied it (this was offered as a gift to Britain whohad failed many times in this task). The Al-Saud family ruled much of theArabian Peninsula.1788-1791, The Army of The pirate leader Abdul-Aziz Bin Muhammad i.e. theWahhabi movement attacked most of the Muslims who differed with theirviews. They waged a war of so-called Jihad against the governors andsoldiers of The Islamic State (Ottomani Khilafah). Thereafter theysucceeding occupying Medinah, Kuwait, Iraq and part of Damascus ( andthousands of innocent Muslims were killed because they were Shi'a, Hanafior followers of other Islamic Mazahib: The irony was that those Muslimswere labeled as Mushriks whilst most of the forces with the Wahhabimovement were British crusaders!).In 1792, Sheikh Muhammad Bin Abdul-Wahhaab died. His son succeeded him asthe Spiritual leader of the Wahhabi movement.1792-1810, The Wahhabi movement with the help of the British forcescontrolled many countries up to Damascus. This rise to power alarmed theOttomani Khilafah which was already facing massive attacks from westernand eastern forces in different parts of the world. However, because ofthe huge conspiracy of the Wahhabi movement and Aal-Saud and their scaleof attacks against Islam and Muslims it left the Ottomani Khilafah with nochoice but to send forth its armies to contain the influence of theWahhabi movement and their alliance.In 1811, The army of the Ottomani Khilafah under the command of thegovernor of Egypt, Muhammad Ali paasha declared war against Abdul-Aziz BinMuhammad and his Wahhabi movement. The governor of Egypt sent armies withhis son Tosoun paasha to liberate Medinah.In 1812, Tosoun paasha defeated the army of Abdul-Aziz Bin Muhammad andliberated Medinah.In 1815, The governor of Egypt sent armies under the command of his secondson: Ibraheem paasha to liberate Damascus, Iraq and Kuwait.In 1816, The army of Ibraheem paasha defeated the army of Abdul-Aziz BinMuhammad and the Wahhabi movement in Medinah, Iraq and Kuwait andliberated them.In 1817, The army of Ibraheem paasha chased the soldiers of the Wahhabimovement up to their pirate capital Al-Diriyah.In April 1818 the army of Ibraheem paasha surrounded the last strongholdof Abdul-Aziz Bin Muhammad and the Wahhabi movement in Al-Diriyah for thewhole summer until the 9th of September 1818 when the Wahhabis surrenderedthemselves. Ibraheem paasha ordered his soldiers to destroy the whole cityof Al-Diriyah and they did it. However the Aal-Saud family and the head ofthe A'nnza tribe Abdul-Aziz Bin Muhammad were protected by the Britishsoldiers in Jeddah. Most of the Wahhabis including the son of SheikhMuhammad Bin Abdul-Wahhab ran away to Riyadh. The Soldiers of the Islamicstate (Ottomani Khilafah) ultimately captured Al-Diriyah, thus ending thefirst phase of the rebellion of Al-Saud in 1818.1824-1864, The remaining followers of the Wahhabi movement builtthemselves up and rose again under the leadership of Abdul-Rahman BinAbdul-Aziz.1865-1891, The Wahhabi movement under the leadership of Abdul-Rahman binAbdul-Aziz tried to get power over all tribes in Riyadh in order to fightthe governor (Aal-Rasheed) of The Islamic State (Ottomani Khilafah). Theytried to get political power in Riyadh, which was located close to theirold stronghold Al-Diriyah. But this uprising caused unrest which led totribal warfare which lasted for over 25 years and resulted in the governorof the Islamic State (Ottomani Khilafah) Aal-Rasheed resisting thisinternal uprising while the British and western forces were stillhammering against the Ottomani Khilafah..In 1891, The governor of The Ottomani Khilafah forced Abdul-Rahman andAl-Saud into exile. Al-Saud and the rest of the Wahhabi movement lived onthe borders of the desert of the Empty Quarter (Al-Rebi' Al-Khaali) beforesettling in Kuwait.1892-1900, Abdul-Rahman died, and his son Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman andthe rest of the Wahhabi movement lived in Kuwait.In 1901, Twenty-one-year-old Abdul Aziz Bin Abdul Rahman Al-Saud leftKuwait, determined to fight along-side the British forces against theIslamic state in order to get power over all of the territory onceoccupied by his pirate forefathers and to extend his occupation over theholy cities of Makkah and Medinah.In 1902, The Exiled Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman Al-Saud and his gangsters(the Wahhabi movement) stormed Riyadh and shot and killed the Wali (thegovernor of the Khilafah:Aal-Rasheed) as another gift for Britain. Thisevent marked the beginning of the formation of the pirate kingdom of SaudiArabia.1902-1913, After establishing Riyadh as his headquarters, Abdul Azizproceeded, over the following decades side to side with the Britishsoldiers to loot and kill the soldiers and supporters of The OttomaniKhilafah and he succeeded in many cities.In 1914, Britain started to send a stream of agents (including William H.Shakespeare, Harry St. John Philby and Percy Cox) to woo and encourageAbdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman in her task on the Arabian front. Abdul-AzizBin Abdul-Rahman's campaign was one of sabotage and stabbing in the back,it was never face-to-face confrontation.In 1915, Britain dispatched an agent by the name of William H. Shakespeareas a close advisor to Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman. The soldiers of theKhaleefah killed William alongside some Wahhabi conspirators.In 1915, Britain dispatched another agent by the name of Harry St. JohnPhilby, who soon appeared in full Arab dress on top of a camel withAbdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman as a saudi warrior. Philby was called byAbdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman the "new star of Arab firmament". Philby inreturn described Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman as the Arabs "man of destiny"however Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman was the arch political sell-out, manytimes offering to sell himself to the British. He once said to Philby, "Ifanyone offered me a million pounds I would give him all the concessions hewants".In December 1915 the Anglo-Saud friendship treaty was concluded. Thistreaty made the house of Saud an outpost of the British Empire. Britainwas given trading privileges and was superintendent of Saudi foreignpolicy. A guarantee of British military protection and arms supplies endedthe Khaleefah's authority in central Arabia.In 1916, Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman received from the British 1300 guns,10,000 rupees and 20,000 pieces of gold in cash.1917-1926, Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman and his organised Wahhabi gangstersin military style and with the help of the British soldiers succeeded incontrolling the Whole of Arabia i.e. Najd and Hijaz.In On 8 January 1926 Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman ( Known as Ibn-Saud) wasself-proclaimed king of Arabia. King Abdul-Aziz was embroiled indiscussions with the British representative, Percy Cox, for thedetermination of the borders of the new entity. The British Public Recordsdescribed king Abdul-Aziz's demeaning stature at these meetings "like anaughty schoolboy" in front of Cox. When Cox insisted it was his decisionas to the frontiers between Kuwait, "Ibn-Saud almost broke down andpathetically remarked that Sir Percy was like his father and mother whomade him and raised him from nothing... and he would surrender half hisKingdom, nay the whole, if Sir Percy ordered. Cox took out a map andpencil and drew a line of the frontier of Arabia". Surely no Muslim canever read such a statement except with abject shame at the way the sacredsites of Makkah and Medinah and the land of Hijaaz were put in the handsof a family with such debased and dishonorable pedigree.1926-1932, King Abdul Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman (Ibn-Saud) courted the Britishunashamedly, showing sublime affection towards Britain's envoys. Heoffered to put Arabia under their control. For his loyalty to the Britishcrown, like so many other British agents, Ibn Saud was awarded aknighthood (presented to him by his self-proclaimed "father and mother"Percy Cox) and British documents referred to him as "Sir" Abdul Aziz BinSaud for many years afterwards.In On September 23, 1932 the self appointed king, Sir Abdul-Aziz BinAbdul-Rahman replaced the names of Najd and Hijaaz by the Kingdom of SaudiArabia and he laid the foundations of the current Pirate state.In 1953, The pirate king Abdul-Aziz Bin Abdul-Rahman died.In 1953, Saud the eldest son of Abdul Aziz Succeeded the throne upon hisfather's death and became king.In 1957, King Saud made the first trip by a Saudi monarch to the UnitedStates.In 1962, Saudi Arabia by special request of the British governmentsponsored an international Islamic conference, which ed the MuslimWorld League, which has its headquarters in Makkah.In 1964, King Saud Bin Abdul-Aziz died.In 1964, Faisal Bin Abdul Aziz became king.In 1971, King Faisal by special request of the British government was acentral force behind the establishment of the Organization of the IslamicConference (the OIC) in Jeddah.In 1975, King Faisal Bin Abdul Aziz was killed by his brother Fahd (Thecurrent king).In 1975, Khalid Bin Abdul Aziz became king.In 1982, King Khalid was poisoned by his brother Fahd (The current king)In 1982, Fahd became king.1982-1997, Until today King Fahd Bin Abdul-Aziz is the pirate ruler of thepirate state of so-called Saudi-Arabia.Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad

useless postings? are you kidding or are you serious because not ALL postings posted here are useless when they have to do with very important issues so what do you have to say about that Mr. Franklin? Only the issues you post are important enough for this forum or may others post issues they feel are important because that is what it looks like to me. Coca-cola strikers in another country on another continent may not seem that important to some but I don't hear someone complaining about that type of post around here. Do YOU set the agenda for what is acceptable to comment on because that is what it is looking like by your attitude toward some of the how you say useless postings around here. Have you been spending too much time in washington dc where that kind of attitude rubbs of on anybody who is not too careful

boy, we're just chock full of useless postings...in the meantime, the bodycount of the pre-emptive war founded on lies continues to mountshould be a very good spring for protestsand sooner or later, we'll come out of our cocoon and do another showWill Aristide return to Haiti?Will Rand Beers be expelled from the Kerry team?What about the hostages in Colombia?And more outsourcing in Baghdad?

ATTENTION ANTI-SEMITES!!! This article was written in 2002 YOU are on this forum every day making it come true!What's the matter with you?"Those who fail to learn from history are condemned to repeat it." - George SantayanaWhy Jews are the World’s Scapegoats By Lorraine Stone, Oceanside, NYHamas, Hezbollah, the Palestinian Authority, the Lying Legionsand "Let's Ignore Inconvenient Truth" Brigades are out in force,aided by worldwide, and especially European, anti-Semitic presswringing their hypocritical hands at the alleged "humanitariandevastation" wrought by nasty Israeli Jews who dare protectthemselves against a war brought to their pizza parlors, PassoverSeders, schools and shopping malls.Terrorists start a war, then whine to an avidly receptive worldpress when a nation under attack has the gall to defend itself. TheIsraeli-produced, inappropriately labeled "humanitariancatastrophe" is condemned, while "heroic" British resistance tobuzzbombs and generalized European resistance during World War IIis eternally extolled. Why is Israeli self-defense and resistanceto human buzzbombs less "heroic"? Because the victims are Jewishand Jewish blood is fair game? It has been for millennia. Whychange now? People should know their place.Palestinian gunmen, flattering themselves as "freedom fighters,"are medieval homicidal thugs in modem dress, led by a vicious,lying aged Egyptian—not Palestinian—psychopath masquerading as a leader. What leader dispatches teenagers and grade-schoolers, to kill themselves for his aggrandizement? George Washington didn't do that, nor Toussaint L'Ouverture. Arafat(nephew of the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, who spent much of WorldWar II in Germany with his pal A Hitler) has for decadessported Rolex watches and dressed himself in designeruniforms—though, careful for his own safety, he never saw abattle, while "his" people have been cooped up in refugee camps.This wasn't Israel's doing. It was done because their so-devotedArab/ Moslem brethren, who shed crocodile tears and collectmillions to pay off the families of homicide bombers, carefullyprohibited them from emigrating to any of the 21—count-'em,Twenty-one surrounding corrupt, repressive, murdering, archaicdictatorships. All this bloodshed because a few greedy, venalcriminals—titling themselves kings and presidents-for-life ofabsolute police-state dictatorships—wanted to continuebleeding their peoples and needed a diversionary scapegoatto keep themselves in power. They are no different from Russian czars and French absolute monarchs of unlamented memory.If Europeans don't come to their senses quickly and realize they are only repeating pre-World War II history, there will be hell to pay before this is over. The European press, CNN and much of the American press are bendingover backwards to show us all how terrible the Israelis are in protectingthemselves and their society from the onslaughts of Palestinians whokill themselves for Allah (or for something like Allah, depending on the hatred and convenience of those interpreting—ormisinterpreting—the Koran for their own benefit).Yet the truth is plain and clear that if the Palestinians andthe Islamic terrorists succeed in their efforts, heartened by theirsuccess, they will surely expand into other areas. Such success inthe destruction of Israel would not end there; it would continuesouth into Africa and west into Europe, just as Hitler'sarmies did not stop at the Sudatenland but proceeded eastinto Poland and Russia and west to the coast of France and north to Norway and Denmark.(and now SPAIN)The plague spread from the Thames to the Volga, from theMediterranean to the fjords. It took years to destroy their threatto humanity and avoid a new dark age, at the cost of millions oflives. At the end, for its decision to ignore Hitler and Nazism andMussolini and Fascism and the threat they clearly and early posed,Europe in particular, from London to Leningrad, and the rest of theworld in general paid dearly. There is no reason to believe thecost this time around, administered by rabid anti-Semites,anti-Christians, anti-American, anti-Western fanatics, will beless.As George Santayana noted decades ago, "Those who fail to learnfrom history are condemned to repeat it." The greatest fear is thatthere will be just such a repetition because of people who, havinglearned of history, choose to ignore history's lessons.That choice to refuse to learn from history is plainly reflectedin the daily force-feeding of tales of Israeli "massacres,"while little or no comprehension (let alone noticeable compassion) isshown for the devastation wreaked on Israeli society byPalestinians. The crocodile tears shed nightly on CNN over thePalestinians in Jenin and elsewhere appear to be an altruisticexpression. It would be were it a balanced altruistic expression.It is not; it is merely propaganda.One can but wonder what world opinion of the Nazis in Germanycirca 1944 would have been had they had CNN to broadcast thedevastation visited upon German cities by the Allies. Would theworld not have been force-fed pictures of Dresden, Hamburg andBerlin laid waste by the Royal Airforce and the American Army AirCorp? Wouldn't that be a "humanitarian disaster"? Wouldn't theworld be invited to shed copious tears over the terriblefate—and it was terrible—of the poor German Volk? Ofcourse. It would have been a master propaganda stroke.Yet carefully kept hidden behind those pictures would stillexist Bergen-Belsen, Auschwitz and Sobibor, German child soldiers,impregnated early-adolescent girls inducted into the Lebensbornabomination, abducted "German-looking" Polish children, and theobscenely grotesque "medical" experiments of Dr. Mengele. That isthe kind of slanted reportage proffered. So, the Joseph GoebbelsAward for Misrepresentative Journalism (my own invention) is a tie:It goes to everybody stupid enough not to see the similarities. AndI'm sure ol' Joe Goebbels would be thrilled.But there is a difference in 2002 from the world of 1942. Timeshave changed and so have the Jews. For 2,000 years countries theworld over used Jews as scapegoats to blame for their ownincompetence. What Arafat does is old hat. Even now, Europe, guiltyof pogroms, expulsions (read: "ethnic cleansings"), inquisitionsand, ultimately, the Holocaust, struggles to blame Jews foreverything, turning blind eyes to the truth of failed Arabsocieties and their criminalities. According to the old rules, only when the targets of attack are non-Jews is self-defense and retaliation acceptable. But the old rules no longer apply and Jews are no longer either vulnerable orwilling to permit themselves and their children to be slaughteredor isolated in ghettos. Jews who fight back shock the world by such inconvenient, uncomfortable stereotype-busting. Old habits die hard.Added to the grumbling at the scapegoats-become-warriors is theguilt plainly felt by Europeans at the Holocaust, and the visceralneed to absolve themselves of abominations committed only 60 yearsago. Seeking absolution, they side with Palestinian murderers, notthe Palestinian people, rationalizing that the Jews are no better,telling themselves: "They 're doing the same things we did. Gee, weweren't so bad."But it was Nazis who sent German children into battle at the endof World War II, as Arafat and the Islamic madmen, not Israelis,send bomb-laden babies to kill themselves and as many innocents aspossible in hotels, discotheques and cafes. The Nazi propagandamachine that spewed hatred, and which lives anew in Arafat's andthe Islamic extremists' deranged effort to blame Jews for their ownatrocities, is exemplified by Arafat's feigned outrage at thesurrounding of the Church of the Nativity by Israeli tanks.Arafat's cowards shot their way into the birthplace of Jesus andheld the priests and nuns hostage. Tanks wouldn't have surroundedthe church had the murderers not invaded it and were they notcontinuing to hold innocent clerics hostage. But these facts are"forgotten" in the rush to scapegoat Jews and Israel.Get used to it, folks. Jews won't be the world's scapegoats anylonger. This is unsettling for seekers of others to blame for theirown failures, but prejudice will surely find vulnerable minoritiesto bully in Jews' place. But then Jews will help the afflicted,since Jews have long and compassionate memories, having "beenthere, suffered that." The hunt for victims by the narrow-minded,amoral and incompetent will be long, but persistent. Armed withhatred and ineptitude, it will surely continue indefinitely.

Those who've missed Bordertex's previous rantings on this page should be aware that he/she is an anti-Semite.

Then there is these guys so now WHO can you trust anymore when all of them are in the same bed plotting one world takeovers of OUR america and the Europe so just read it and seeScandal at the U.N. By WILLIAM SAFIREPublished: March 17, 2004 he cover-up in the office of the U.N. secretary general of a multibillion-dollar financial fraud known as the Iraqi oil-for-food program is beginning to come apart.The scandal has been brewing for years. The first I learned of it was in a New York Times Op-Ed article last April by the journalist Claudia Rosett charging that the U.N.'s secretive oversight of more than $100 billion in Iraqi oil exports and supposed humanitarian imports was "an invitation to kickbacks, political back-scratching and smuggling done under cover of relief operations."After checking with Kurdish sources in Iraq, I reported that half the money allocated to their people had been blocked by Saddam "conspiring with bureaucrats in the U.N. Plaza."Kofi Annan's right-hand man, Benon Sevan, had been named by the secretary general to head the oil-for-food program and report directly to him. Though he could not deny a favored French banking connection, Sevan branded as "inaccuracies" charges by Ms. Rosett and me of secrecy, citing a hundred audits in five years. But he refused to make public what companies in what countries got Saddam's largess.Now, thanks to evidence of systematic thievery on a huge scale, discovered by free Iraqis in Baghdad, the whole rotten mess of 10 percent kickbacks on billions in contracts is coming to light. In detailed accounts, Susan Sachs in The Times, Therese Raphael in The Wall Street Journal, and Charles Laurence and Inigo Gilmore of London's Daily Telegraph have flipped over the flat rock of corruption.Assistant Secretary General Sevan, now on an extended vacation until his retirement next month, denied through a spokesman "that I had received oil or oil monies from the former Iraqi regime" and demanded that his doubters produce documentary evidence. The Journal then produced a document in Arabic that suggests Sevan received an allocation of 1.8 million barrels of oil.Under the U.N. bureaucracy's nose — and I suspect, in some cases, with its collusion — nearly three-quarters of the suppliers jacked up their prices to pay the 10 percent kickback. These included European manufacturers, Arab trade brokers, Russian factories and Chinese state-owned companies. Corruption's take — out of the mouths of hungry Iraqi children — was estimated by Sachs of The Times at $2.3 billion.Hired by the U.N. to monitor these imports was a Swiss-based firm, Cotecna, which was paid out of the exorbitant fee the U.N. charged for overhead. Ms. Rosett, writing in National Review last week, notes that Kojo Annan, the secretary general's son, was once on staff and later a consultant to that tight-lipped company. In denying to The Telegraph in 1999 that he worked on the U.N. oil-for-food account, Kojo Annan said, "The decision is made by the contracts committee, not by Kofi Annan."About that "661 compliance committee," on which the U.S. has a seat and to which the secretary general now wants to pass the buck: a U.S. official familiar with its operation tells me that "its purpose was formally to approve what the U.N. staff recommended. Only the U.S. and the U.K. experts ever put a hold on a contract, and that about items that had dual use in weaponry. Few U.S. firms got contracts, and those that did worked through middlemen to avoid the General Accounting Office."Annan's office kept blaming the 661 committee and stonewalling the press until an irate Iraqi Governing Council hired the accountants KPMG and a law firm to investigate what its advisers told Annan was "one of the world's most disgraceful scams."Under mounting pressure, this week the U.N. let it be known that its laughably titled Office of Internal Oversight Services would look into the matter. An internal whitewash? Not nearly good enough.Will the Security Council appoint an independent counsel to clean house in an inept or corrupt Secretariat? No, because France and Russia had their hands in the kickback till.But free Iraq, backed up by the U.S., is not helpless. Our Congress supplies 22 percent of the U.N. budget, and we have a right to an accounting. Chairman Henry Hyde, of House International Relations, calls this "an outrage" and will arrange for a G.A.O. briefing this week, to be followed by open hearings in April.The U.N. can redeem its sullied reputation by helping to shape Iraq's future. To take up that challenge, it must have clean hands.

LOOK LETS FACE IT the republicans have burying the country in deficits since the actor Ronald Reagan managed to manipulate the voters into thinking it was okay to associate an actor to the job of a president as Ronald Reagan did because lets face it the Whitehouse was for Reagan the biggest script in his life as an actor who now claims to have forgotten everything through alzheimers,how convenient that Reagan dosent remember anything now that it is critical in our country for the truthjthe republican party has given this country nothing but saying no to everything the democratas wanted in Congress because this would have mean the republican corporate connected political party would have had to punish their corporate contributores like pharmaceutical companies and that was not about to happen not when instead of the poor underclass giving millions to the republican partythey were depending on social programs george bush and his cronies have scratched from the american agendaso lets get real and STOP! TRYING TO BLAME PRESIDENT CLINTON AND THE DEMOCRATS FOR THE GENERATIONS OF DOOM OUR COUNTRY HAS LIVED UNDER REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIPS if so their pathetic representation of their corporations in the house of the people can be called so because certainly these republicans were not representing the best interests of Americans when bush ransacked the surplus for his gluttonous unjust and unwarranted war in IraqSo no matter what anybody says we cannot as Americans erase the worse four years since bush jr.was forced into office though appointment but we can wonder forever whether in fact it was legal for the highest court in the country to appoint the U.S. President because to me what the U.S. supreme court did was more than illegal when it played along in the courts what was supposed to have been a people's electionbut this was the only way the republican frauds and crooks could ripp of an election to force themselves into the highest office for what Mr. bush?TO LET ALL THE POLLUTERS MAKE THE LAWS IN THE WHITEHOUSE?OR TO LET YOUR POLITICAL CONTRIBUTORS DRAFT U.S. ENERGY POLICY BEHIND THE BACKS OF THE VOTERS?TOO MANY YEARS WE HAVE BEEN MISLED AND FOOLED BUT NO LONGER WILL OUR COUNTRY FALL FOR THE BUSH LIES AS THE LIES HE TOLD THE PEOPLE AND CONGRESS TO FORCE A MILITARY ASSAULT ON IRAQI am shocked as an American citizen that American soldiers are still dying in Iraq when that lunatic war was declared over a long time ago in last May or did America hear wrong?Mr. bush thou has exploited enough the country the people and the jobs are gone please stop crucifing our country for not giving you the popular vote in 2000 when you and your daddys cronies in the high court gave you our house because its not your house you stinkin republican frauds it was the house where the laws for the people would be made but George Bush turned it into the BIGGEST CORPORATE BROTHEL WHERE ENRONS WOULD RIPP OFF THE TEXAS TEACHERS RETIREMENTS AND WHERE THOUSANDS OF ENRON INVESTORS WOULD LOSE OUT THANKS TO THE HELP OF BUSH FOR HIS FRIEND KEN LAY SO STOP PRETENDING THE CROOK IN THE WHITEHOUSE IS A "PRESIDENT" BECAUSE TOO BEGIN WITH, MR. BUSH DID NOT EVEN WIN THE ELECTION ANDIS AS ILLEGITMATE AS THE ILLIEGITIMATE DAUGHTER OF STROM THURMOND THE MOST RACIAL REPUBLICAN MUMMIFIED REPUBICAN SENATOR TO HAVE SERVED IN THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS WHERE THIS REPUBLICAN DID NOTHING FOR MINORITIES BUT WHEN IT CAME TO HAVING ILLEGITIMATE KIDS WITH HIS SLAVES,,,,,,,HE KEPT IT HUSH HUSH BUT THE SUN CANNOT BE COVERED WITH YOUR FINGERTIP STROM AND IN LIFE OR IN DEATH, THE TRUTH SHALL BE KNOWN BECAUSE THIS IS THE LAW OF THE TRUTH SOONER OR LATER BUSH YOU AND CHENEY ARE GOING TO BE UNMASKED AS THE BIGGEST CORRUPTION IN AMERICAN HISTORY...................................................................for what have these two corporate crooks done for our country besides giving Halliburton the federal contracts to rebuild an Iraq that did not have to be destroyed?

Taken for a RideAn indicted crack-dealing informant told the FBI he could lead agents to bin Laden. Guess what happened next?NewsweekET March 10, 2004March 10 - In the frantic months after September 11, Justice Department prosecutors arranged to release an indicted Detroit crack dealer after the man claimed he could help the FBI locate a higher priority target: Osama bin Laden.But once the accused trafficker, Nageeb Al-Haidari, was free, he allegedly continued to deal drugs—and then fled the country without providing any useful information about the Al Qaeda leader, federal law-enforcement sources tell NEWSWEEK. “He’s a fugitive,” says Michael Liebson, the assistant U.S. attorney in Detroit who had originally overseen Al-Haidari’s case when asked this week about the accused crack dealer’s status. “I have no idea of his whereabouts.”Full story:http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4499817/

Franklin, it's an anti-Semitic screed. Period.It's all black and white. No grey.Obviously, Bordertex doesn't do nuance. Seems like you're either with him/her or against.Sounds familiar.

having quickly scanned Bordertex's postings, i think i am in agreement with a lot of itwhat i do not agree with is the characterization of "curly head Jews ... being the race who crucified Christ"1) what does physical appearance have to do with anything? 2) Jews are not a race; they are people with a common religious belief3) the Catholic Church teaches that the Jews did not crucify Jesus - according to the Gospels, the Romans did, at the prompting of some of the Jewish leaders. "SOME" not all.this type of ranting discredits the rest of the argumentsi hope you have Jewish friends: ask them what they think of what you've written; they can help you cleanse what can easily be characterized as anti-semiticagain on the later rant about "Jewish belief" about Israeli government actions. Jewish belief has a wide range just like "Christian belief."Of course there are American Jews with an Israel-right-or-wrong attitude but they do not constitute all of the Jews. And while AIPAC sucks serious ass, it does not follow that Jews do.Jesus was a Jew.

It was about time the spanish people set their foot down against any government like the conservative outgoing Mr. Aznar who in total disregard to the dangerous consequences of involving Spain in an unwarranted and unjust so called war against Iraq placed all of Spain at risk knowing fully well that what the Iraqi war had unleased was a world terrorism who could internationalize itself with a committed effort to defend themselves against hostile invading and occupying forces as the american government under George Walker Bush and his allies have been against many americans and international communities who opposed our invasion of Iraq simply because we had no business in Iraq,when it was claimed Osama bin laden was the culprit of 9-11so lets get one thing clear, if the socialist party won in Spain, it is because the voters of Spain are in control of their country and they are showing the world what they do with leaders who fail to follow the advice of the popular majority of the general voting public when they dont want their sons and daughters murdered in Iraq by the bush/cheney administrationso lets get another thing straight that the only "orthodoxy" in this country, is in the extreme conservatism of the republican party who thinks! we women appreciate having them and their laws meddle into our medical decisions and business and then, have men, turn around and try to change the Constitution of the status of marriage and the union of two people of the opposite sex in total disregard to what this means to society and the christianity we have learnt from the bibleand so I think it is a total mockery to society to have the extreme right here in the U.S. which represent mostly the republican party trying to tell us that the Socialist Party in Spain is Orthodox?NOT MORE ORTHODOX THAN THOSE CURLY HEAD JEWS HITTING AND POUNDING THEIR HEAD ON THE WAILING WALL FOR BEING THE RACE WHO CRUCIFIED CHRISTno not more orthodox than those extreme right wing minded judges appointed by george bush in the middle of the night while Congress was in recess and they want to call the right of the Spanish people to vote for their leader out of office for being a war follower, orthodox view?NOT MORE ORTHODOX THAN THE JEWISH BELIEF THAT THROUGH AMERICAN FOREIGN AID IT WAS LEGAL TO BOMB PALESTINE IN AN OFFENSIVE FASHION WITH OUR AMERICAN FOREIGN AIDno not more orthodox than the orthodoxy of having Israel totally disrespect the boundary separtion of territory lines everytime it crosses to Palestine to commit murder under the hood of of american foreign aidNOnot more "orthodoxy" than the american need to vote the vomits of bush and cheney out of office for being the frauds and corrupt corporate connected crooks they were in our country and forLYING! TO THE PEOPLE AND CONGRESS ABOUT THE REAL REASONS FOR ATTACKING IRAQI dont appreciate any body on this forum or anywhere putting down the spanish people's vote in Spain to assist george bush in his further slaughter of our american soldiers in the sand jungles of Iraq and I am convinced george bush and cheney have been a terrible disaster for our country for just look where all the billions and billions going into IraqSTRAIGHT INTO THE CHENEY CONNECTED HALLIBURTON COMPANY FROM TEXAS AND THIS FRAUD,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,should be investigaged because this conflict of interest to have american companies sitting in the Whitehouse this has not been good for America so I disagree it was "cowardice to elect the socialists" as this idiot writes in this stupid view, rather it was the most sensible opinion of the majority of Spaniards and May God Bless Spain for having the courage to stop the spillage of blood of our sons and daughters in Iraq to suit the political purposes of the most corrupt appointed thief of an american presidency who will very soon need to pack all his rags so he can take back with him to Crawford, Texas to milk his cows while his wife laura cooks the pork lard for bush's eggs because this is all george bush deservesAFTER EXPLOITING THE SURPLUS AND TURNING IT INTO A TRILLLLLLLLLLLION DOLLAR DIGIT DEFICIT OUR CHILDREN HAVE ALREADY INHERITED THANKS TO GEORGE BUSH AND HIS REPUBLICAN CRONIES WHO VERY SOON WILL BE KICKED OUT OF OFFICE SO PLEASE DONT BOMB US ALQUEDA, AND GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO DO IT THE RIGHT WAY WITH THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE AS I BELIEVE THE COUNTRY HAS ALREADY MADE UP ITS MIND BEFORE SPAIN DID AND THANK GOD SPAIN DID THE RIGHT THINGwhen an extreme conservative decides to ignore the popular opinion than this bad leader ceases to be for the people and it was humilliating to see Spain follow like a puppy the other tyrant bush but God does create miracles and let us hope the miracle of peace happens in the middle east where our american bombs under george bush's authority have murdered Palestinian children and speaking of children, the children were left behind by george bush the tyrantThank God for the Socialist Party to be there when Spain needed somebody to replace the Tyrant of AZNAR AND HIS REJECTED CRONIES........................IT WAS NOT "A VOTE FOR TERROR" it was the consequences of bush's lunatic war in Iraq, or what did you all expect for foreign sons of their countries to kneel to their deaths and george bush?>It was not necessary to inflame the passions of terror by parading before the world the constant pictures of the corpse sons of Saddam Hussein after they had been murdered by the occupying forces but bush found some satisfaction in keeping the corpses of the immediate family of a fallen president in an american coup in our living rooms through our televisions for a long time long enough to find repulsive having to watch the medical examination of a prisoner of war as President Saddam Hussein was when the american government showed us the inside of Mr. Hussein's mouth during his medical examination which I find repulsive and a similarity with the disrespect for women's medical rights here in the U.S.I think bush has a big price to pay in hell for what he did in Iraq to the civilians while he allows Israel to drop bombs indiscriminately in Palestine and that until this republican vomits are removed from office and the people arm themselves with the right to vote our country will continue going down the drain when the special interests in the Country and their corporations are making the decisions in the bush whitehouse so let us not be a blind America but let us rejoice in the right to vote the republican vomitos out of office for being the frauds that they were and for refusing to warn New York in "april of 2001" of 9-11, knowingly and intentionally...................................................

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If Saddam was disconnected to Alqueda why Alqueda in Spain? Because when george walker bush and his rabid international hot for war cronies like Spain and the British and other small time countries decided to attack instead Saddam Hussein in the search of the illusionary "weapons of mass destruction" instead of pursuing Osama Bin Laden which according to the U.S. was the culprit of 9-11, Mr. bush let down all the victims of the twin towers and let down Congress and our Country and voters in the United States today would do well to stop pretending we have been well informed because we have not and as result we are facing the biggest economical downfall and job shortage in america's history because the monies which could have been used here in the country were wasted in this vicious persecution of the illusion of "weapons of mass destruction in Iraq"WHEN THE WEAPONS USED IN 9-11 DID NOT HAVE TO BE SEARCHED IN IRAQ NOR WERE ANY OF THE HIJACKER TRAINED STATE OF FLORIDA PILOTS CITIZENS of Iraq in fact there were very much of the origin of egyptian nationalities and while North Korea posed the biggest threat to allhumanity mr.bush instead went after Saddam Hussein to settle an old grudge he had with Iraq using the backdrop of 9-11 and our billions of taxfundsTHIS IS WHAT THAT WIMP APPOINTED 'president' has done,he has betrayed the country and everyone who has suffered a consequence from mr. bush's rabid political war agendas where american soldiers are paying the priceI ALSO THINK IT IS HIGH TIME THAT OUR AMERICAN TROOPS WERE BROUGHT BACK FROM THOSE HOSTILE REGIONS WHERE TO BEGIN WITH, WE SHOULD'NT EVEN BE THERE SO LETS STOP PRETENDING WE HAVE A "PRESIDENT" AND GET A REAL ONE BY VOTING FOR JOHN KERRYbecause no matter what any of you say, John Kerry is the only choice america has at this time and if we want to return our country to the normal temperatures of a good economy we cannot be depending on the color codes of fear alert the bush administration uses trying to intimidate us into panic and fear so guess what mr. bush?apparently you are the biggest problem in our country and I ask all terrorists to give our country an opportunity to get this republican thugs and frauds out of office before touching any piece of land to commit any act which is not necessary because we have seen enough with the twin towers and we dont want bloodshed in our country like in Spain, I remind all the terrorists groups in the world that in November of 2004 the people of the United States will decide whether we are also like Spain going to go attacking nations for political reasons like Iraq or are we going to place somebody in office who has promised to "never ever" send our troops in harms way unecessarily like John Kerrysure Saddam Hussein was disconnected from 9-11, but 9-11 came as a result of the over cozy relationship by the U.S. with Israel where to the eyes of the world the Palestinian people are being subjected to the tyranny of Israel and to the eyes of the world, this old city in the old war of palestine we have stood there and watched and approved because the american trigger happy lunatico in the whitehouse would rather do this than what his job description called for which was not making a commander in chief out of the biggest Texas thief of elections of 2000 but a job to as "president" of the U.S. run the affairs of the country for the betterment of the people but instead with bush the corporations are running the whitehouseand so I ask everyone to before trying to defame the only choice Americans have to remember that we are an America who is not blind to what fraud bush has been for this country and not blind to the exploitation of the Iraqi contracts by the Halliburton company, a cheney vice president connection so Alqueda in Spain? if the bush administration and Spain and Britain had not attacked Iraq, the terrorists in the world would not have been forced to act and george bush and Mr. Aznar, should enjoy bathing their hands in the terror both of these conservatives have brought so good riddance for Mr.AZnar and now all we have to do is get rid of bush to fix the countrie's problemsAND FOR LYING TO CONGRESS AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BECAUSE LET US NEVER FORGET THAT JOHN KERRY IS THAT AMERICAN CONGRESS WHO WAS VICIOUSLY DECIEVED AND LIED TO BY BUSH/CHENEY, OTHERWISE HOW COULD BUSH GET THE CONGRESSIONAL VOTE ON IRAQ? AND MIND YOU CONGRESS WANTED U.N. APPROVAL AND BUSH SAID NO! ILL GO ON MYOWN THAT WAY THE OIL,,,,,,,,,,,WILL BE ALL MINE BUT THEN SPAIN SAID WAIT A MINUTO REPLICANO BUSH, YOU CANNOT BATHE IN THAT BLACK GOLD ALL BY YOURSELF, LET ME HAVE A CHUNK, LIKE WHEN I STOLE THE WHOLE COUNTRY OF MEXICO, ALONG THE SAMELINES BUSH STOLE IRAQ or through invasion...........and along comes Spain and its titeres and assumes the role of a bush follower during and after the time, bush lied to the world congress the people and the american government and thinks that it will be forgivven for helping in the scheme to ripp of the Iraqi oil of a nation under U.N. sanctions at the time it was attacked with U.N. inspectors on the ground?GEORGE BUSH AND CANDOLEEZA RICE AND RONALD RUMSFELD HAVE BEEN BIG TRAITORS TO THE UNITED STATES AND TO IGNORE THIS MEANS DANGER TO ALL SOCIETY LET NOT THESE THREE PORKS RUIN EVERYBODY'S LIFE AND LET NOT THE HITLERTESQUE STYLE OF GEORGE BUSH INVITE THE WRATH OF WORLD TERROR BECAUSE AS AMERICANS WE ARE HOSTAGES TO THIS MENACE AND THREAT OF GEORGE BUSH WHO IS A TRAITOR TO THE COUNTRY AND WHO IS NOTHING MORE THAN AN ERRAND BOY FOR HIS BIG CORPORATIONS HEY BUSH,,,,,,,,,;YOUR MONEY HONEY,,,,,,,AINT GONNA LET YOU SIT ON THE THRONE YOU HAVE DISROBED AND ROBBED OF DECENCY AND INTEGRITY.......................... THE PEOPLE SHALL SPEAK THIS NOVEMBER BY BOOTING OUT OF OFFICE THE BIGGEST CORPORATE CONNNECTED THUG APPOINTED TO OFFICE AND WE SHALL REJOICE IN THE VICTORY OF JOHN KERRY THENEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.actually the voters of Spain rejected a government who willingly under the false lies to the world the people and Congress of "imminent threat" by the bush administration, accompanied the "american crusador" to attack Iraq placing everybody in Spain at risk as we have seen today where still, the american government has dragged its feet in getting the troops out because the political agenda by george bush is obviously more important to mr.bush than the lives of american troopsSO WRONGfor anyone to suggest that the terrorists have won because for one, the american and british and spanish government provoked the terrorists to act when their lands are invaded by force and their civilians killed to the eyes of the world these suicide missions are the only thing they have and for anybody! anybody!anybody! to suggest that terror has won is wrong and should not be voiced rather people should understand that it has been the bush administration who has forced terror to act in self defense of the american invasion of foreign countriesor do you all think it was right to just go and attack without U.N. approval the country of Iraq as if it was another Palestine for Israel to sht on?IF THE TERRORISTS HAVE STRUCK IT IS BECAUSE BUSH BLAIR AND AZNAR good riddance! PROVOKED TERROR STRIKES AGAINST THE PEOPLE OF WHOM COUNTRIES THEY REPRESENT OR WHAT DID YOU THINK MR.BUSH THAT THERE WOULD BE NO RETALIATION?the people of Spain did the right thing because Spain should not allow the american government to dictate to Spain the conduction of the affairs of the world which is what has happened when Spain followed bush like a lost puppy to Iraq knowingly and intentionally knowing that the U.N. had not given its blessing so stop blaming the terrorists that the only one who has provoked terror in the world is george bush because this was the only way he could have a political platform as it has become very obvious to America and the bush allies in Spain lost because it was time to face the truth and had it not been for Spain's move to attack Iraq, those train terrors would not have happened or what did you think Spain that you made a good spectacle at the U.N. glorifing the bush dictatorship against Iraq????? you are right in that the visceral reaction to bush is not based on the facts themselves but it is based on the actions of the right wing pigs during the Clinton years and the right wingers distracted the whole country day after day with Bill and Monica and every news broadcast started with Bill scandals and you spent $70 million hounding a popular president instead of paying attention to what the terrorists were doingAnd then your special prosecutor Kenn Starr broadcast to the entire world in pornographic detail every personal sexual pecadillo of our beloved President...think we didn't hate you for it??????? We did digged deep down inside we hated you and we saw you as lying manipulating scheming demons without respect for the welfare of this country and the impression America was sending around the world through your evil witchunt and sick desire to expose it everywhere every day every newscast and the Florida election heist and the partisan Supreme Court was just too muchIf you did not preoccupy this country with sex we could have seen these jihadi beasts and we could have been educated instead of titillated and the jihadis gained enornous strength in numbers and wealth while you kept us obsessed with what Bill Clinton did with his penis and you brought this on yourselves but unfortunately we are all going down with you THE UNITED STATES WOULD DO GOOD TO KNOW HOW THE SPANISH VOTERS HOLD LIARS.............ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR LIES AND BUSH LIED AND LIED AND LIED AND LIED AND LIED TO OUR COUNTRY MORE THAN ONCE.

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Sorry Franklin, just saw your post. As usual, you're on the cutting edge!

I was just on Senator Bob Graham's webpage earlier today, looking at a article he wrote on how the Bush Administration was misleading the public about the Medicare bill. Now looky what just came over the wire!U.S. Videos, for TV News, Come Under ScrutinyBy ROBERT PEAR, The New York TimesWASHINGTON, March 14 — Federal investigators are scrutinizing television segments in which the Bush administration paid people to pose as journalists praising the benefits of the new Medicare law, which would be offered to help elderly Americans with the costs of their prescription medicines.The videos are intended for use in local television news programs. Several include pictures of President Bush receiving a standing ovation from a crowd cheering as he signed the Medicare law on Dec. 8.The materials were produced by the Department of Health and Human Services, which called them video news releases, but the source is not identified. Two videos end with the voice of a woman who says, "In Washington, I'm Karen Ryan reporting."But the production company, Home Front Communications, said it had hired her to read a script prepared by the government.Another video, intended for Hispanic audiences, shows a Bush administration official being interviewed in Spanish by a man who identifies himself as a reporter named Alberto Garcia.Another segment shows a pharmacist talking to an elderly customer. The pharmacist says the new law "helps you better afford your medications," and the customer says, "It sounds like a good idea." Indeed, the pharmacist says, "A very good idea."The government also prepared scripts that can be used by news anchors introducing what the administration describes as a made-for-television "story package."In one script, the administration suggests that anchors use this language: "In December, President Bush signed into law the first-ever prescription drug benefit for people with Medicare. Since then, there have been a lot of questions about how the law will help older Americans and people with disabilities. Reporter Karen Ryan helps sort through the details."The "reporter" then explains the benefits of the new law.Lawyers from the General Accounting Office, an investigative arm of Congress, discovered the materials last month when they were looking into the use of federal money to pay for certain fliers and advertisements that publicize the Medicare law.In a report to Congress last week, the lawyers said those fliers and advertisements were legal, despite "notable omissions and other weaknesses." Administration officials said the television news segments were also a legal, effective way to educate beneficiaries.Gary L. Kepplinger, deputy general counsel of the accounting office, said, "We are actively considering some follow-up work related to the materials we received from the Department of Health and Human Services."One question is whether the government might mislead viewers by concealing the source of the Medicare videos, which have been broadcast by stations in Oklahoma, Louisiana and other states.Federal law prohibits the use of federal money for "publicity or propaganda purposes" not authorized by Congress. In the past, the General Accounting Office has found that federal agencies violated this restriction when they disseminated editorials and newspaper articles written by the government or its contractors without identifying the source.Kevin W. Keane, a spokesman for the Department of Health and Human Services, said there was nothing nefarious about the television materials, which he said had been distributed to stations nationwide. Under federal law, he said, the government is required to inform beneficiaries about changes in Medicare."The use of video news releases is a common, routine practice in government and the private sector," Mr. Keane said. "Anyone who has questions about this practice needs to do some research on modern public information tools."But Democrats disagreed. "These materials are even more disturbing than the Medicare flier and advertisements," said Senator Frank R. Lautenberg, Democrat of New Jersey. "The distribution of these videos is a covert attempt to manipulate the press."Mr. Lautenberg, Senator Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts, and seven other members of Congress requested the original review by the accounting office.In the videos and advertisements, the government urges beneficiaries to call a toll-free telephone number, 1-800-MEDICARE. People who call that number can obtain recorded information about prescription drug benefits if they recite the words "Medicare improvement."Documents from the Medicare agency show why the administration is eager to advertise the benefits of the new law, on radio and television, in newspapers and on the Internet."Our consumer research has shown that beneficiaries are confused about the Medicare Modernization Act and uncertain about what it means for them," says one document from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.Other documents suggest the scope of the publicity campaign: $12.6 million for advertising this winter, $18.5 million to publicize drug discount cards this spring, about $18.5 million this summer, $30 million for a year of beneficiary education starting this fall and $44 million starting in the fall of 2005."Video news releases" have been used for more than a decade. Pharmaceutical companies have done particularly well with them, producing news-style health features about the afflictions their drugs are meant to cure.The videos became more prominent in the late 1980's, as more and more television stations cut news-gathering budgets and were glad to have packaged news bits to call their own, even if they were prepared by corporations seeking to sell products.As such, the videos have drawn criticism from some news media ethicists, who consider them to be at odds with journalism's mission to verify independently the claims of corporations and governments.Government agencies have also produced such videos for years, often on subjects like teenage smoking and the dangers of using steroids. But the Medicare materials wander into more controversial territory.Bill Kovach, chairman of the Committee of Concerned Journalists, expressed disbelief that any television stations would present the Medicare videos as real news segments, considering the current debate about the merits of the new law."Those to me are just the next thing to fraud," Mr. Kovach said. "It's running a paid advertisement in the heart of a news program."Jim Rutenberg contributed reporting for this article.Copyright © 2004 The New York Times Company.also http://graham.senate.gov/pr021004.html

The SP-USA has nominated Walt Brown and Mary Alice Herbert for the Socialist presidential ticket in 2004. For more information, visit www.brown2004.org.

So President Aristide is on hios way back to the Caribbean. The Pacific Radio show "Democracy Now" has been doing a fantastic job staying on the story, despite the corporate media's boredom with it. I encourage you to tune in or got to their website for streaming radio, or something like that: http://www.democracynow.orgIn fact, the show's host, Amy Goodman, travelled to the Central African Republic, the place to which Aristide was spirited away and seemingly held, and is on the plane on its way to Jamaica.This case is remarkable as since his arrival in the Central African Republic, President Aristide has charged that he was kidnapped. This was of course disputed by the Bush Administration with Secretary Power calling it absurd. The corporate media seems to be ignoring the story. Somehow Powell, the chief liar before the UN on the Iraqi WMD charge, is now credible in saying the US had nothing to do with Arisitide's ouster.Yet, as disppasionate as they've pretended to be, Rice and Rumsfeld, stellar truth tellers on Iraq (Rice: watch out for the mushroom clouds; Rumsfeld: we know exactly where the WMD are) were showing their true colors in the morning talk shows yesterday saying that it was bad news for Aristide to return to the Caribbean.Maybe this time they're telling the truth: of course it's bad news for the US who is currently occupying Haiti to have Haiti's legitimate leader return to the region!The Administration's party tends to despise Aristide. The State Department's main man on the hemisphere, Roger Noriega, was Jesse Helms staffer on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, dealing mainly with the Western Hemisphere. Helms hated Aristide and was generally the conduit for CIA disinformation campaigns, like the one in the early 1990s when at the height of the defacto regime's killing spree, aided by the CIA ally and protege the FRAPH, the CIA, through Helms claimed that most of the killings could not be attributed to the de facto regime and the FRAPH. Either the CIA had it all wrong (certainly a possibility) or the CIA was covering for the death squads (certainly a possibility).Don't forget, the CIA blows chunks! Pass it on!

Hey look!.... A victory for your side franklin:Socialists Oust Spain's Ruling Party By ED McCULLOUGH, Associated Press Writer MADRID, Spain - Spain's Socialists scored a dramatic upset in elections Sunday, unseating conservatives stung by charges they provoked the Madrid terror bombings by supporting the U.S.-led war in Iraq and making Spain a target for al-Qaida. Source --- http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040315/ap_on_re_eu/spain_elections&cid=518&ncid=716

Bob, You are spot on! Keep up the good work!

Sorry for the cut and paste, you guys. I thought maybe your audience might be interested in this.MILLION WORKER MARCHThe International Longshore and Warehouse Union, Local 10 recently passed aresolution proposing a million worker march on Washington in 2004. No datehas been set however, we; envision it taking place before the election inNovember. This mobilization is being proposed in response to the attacksupon working families in America and the millions of jobs lost during thecurrent Bush Administration. The working class has not suffered suchhardship since the era of the Great Depression.The Bush Administration¹s focus of placing the acquisition of capital andthe quest for profits above the needs of the people is undermining theeconomic security of working people and the nation as a whole.Now is the time for organized/unorganized labor, the interfaith andcommunity organizations to show solidarity to demand that all electedofficials address the needs of working people.While we are in the early stages of planning this action, we are urgingorganizations to join us in making this march a reality.We are encouraging everyone have the attached resolution adopted by yourmembership or organization. We¹re also asking that your organization start aMillion Worker March Committee to mobilize labor in your local area,ultimately merging with a National Committee to be formed at a later date.Finally, we¹re asking for financial contribution from your organization tobe sent to the address below until a National Committee is created.Please contact:MILLION WORKER MARCH COMMITTEEILWU, Local 10400 North PointSan Francisco, CA 94133(415)441-0610Email: millionworkermarch@comcast.netRESOLUTION PROPOSING A MILLION WORKERS MARCH ON WASHINGTONWhereas: our ancestors fought tirelessly in this country for the right toorganize unions and ensure that our government recognized this right becauseit is a cornerstone of democracy, andWhereas: that because of unions and solidarity among working people we havebeen able to win basic human rights, including employer paid health care,social security and retirement benefits, safe working conditions, decenthours and wages, education for our children, social services for thedisadvantaged, civil liberties, and most important, the right to politicalinfluence over our nation¹s foreign and domestic policies, andWhereas: Franklin D. Roosevelt, in his State of the Union address in 1944acknowledged our rights, saying, "We have come to the realization of thefact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security andindependence. Necessitous men are not free men. People who are hungry andout of a job are the stuff of which dictatorships are made." andWhereas: the current administration has cooperated with big business inattacking our rights, using legislation such as the Patriot Acts I and II,denying the right of hundreds of thousands of Federal employees to belong tounions and bargain, forcing longshore workers to work under a Taft-HartleyAct injunction and threats of Federal intervention, andWhereas: the administration has negotiated trade agreements costing thejobs of hundreds of thousands of US workers, calling this a move towards ahealthy economy, while promoting other economic policies which have resultedin the loss of over 3 million jobs since taking office, andWhereas: the administration has given corporations and the wealthy huge taxbreaks, while cutting billions of dollars in spending for social services,education, and other government programs won by working people throughdecades of effort, andWhereas: the Bush administration has excused all these policies by usingthe terrible events of September 11 to label any opposition unpatriotic anda threat to national security, has taken our country into an unjust warunder the false assertion that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction,costing the lives of hundreds of US service members and innocent Iraqicivilians, and is whipping up fear and hysteria even further to try tostampede the public into giving it another term in office,Be it therefore resolved: that Local 10 of the ILWU calls on unions andworking people generally to go to Washington DC for a Million Worker March,to demand that politicians and the administration listen to the people whopay their salaries, rather than the voices of big business and the rich, andBe it further resolved: that this resolution be forwarded to unions, laborcouncils and labor organizations, as well as other organizations to whichworkers belong, whether organized or not, so that they can take similaraction to organize this March as soon as possible.Be it finally resolved: that this event coincide with all labor organizedvoter registration drives planned for the next election.

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sorry senyor, can't resist this tidbit:BUSH THREATENED TO FIRE OFFICIAL FOR TELLING THE TRUTHDuring this time of record deficits, President Bush promised the country that his drug-industry backed Medicare bill would cost $395 billion. (1) But just weeks after he signed the bill into law, his own budget office admitted that the bill would actually cost well over $500 billion. (2) And today a new report shows that the President knew that the bill cost more than he had claimed, and yet he deliberately hid the information from the public until the legislation was already signed into law.As revealed in an exclusive Knight-Ridder report, the White House threatened to fire its own top Medicare actuary "if he told lawmakers about a series of Bush administration cost estimates" that priced the bill at more than $500 billion. (3) At the time, conservative Republicans had "vowed to vote against the Medicare drug bill if it cost more than $400 billion." This means that the president deliberately misled members of his own party on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry that pushed the bill and has been a top contributor to his campaign. (4) As Rep. Sue Myrick (R-NC) said, "I think a lot of people probably would have reconsidered" voting for the bill had they not been deliberately misled by the White House.At Knight-Ridder's website you can see the full text of the 6/26/03 email that Medicare's top actuary Richard S. Foster sent to colleagues informing them of the White House threat. (5)Sources:1. "Federal Deficit Hits Record $374B", CBS News, 10/20/2003,http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1307066&l=21882.2. "Medicare drug plan balloons", Washington Times, 01/29/2004,http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1307066&l=21883.3. "Bush administration ordered Medicare plan cost estimates withheld",Knight Ridder, 03/11/2004,http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1307066&l=21884es/printstory.jsp.4. Open Secrets.Org,http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1307066&l=21885.5. "E-mail from Richard S. Foster, Centers for Medicare and MedicaidServices", Knight Ridder, 03/11/2004,http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1307066&l=21886.

Hey we just deleted a post -- I hate to do that cause we deliberately made this to be totally open posting but it was like 2 million pages long and had HTML tags everywhere. It had some crazy offensive shit in it, and some interesting stuff too -- but anyone who knows how to post to a bulletin board can figure out how to not be a retard and say what they wanna say without blowing the system up. Keep it short, say what you wanna say and don't just cut and paste other people's shit. Thanks.

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but back to substance...BUSH CONTINUES TO MISLEAD ABOUT 9/11As President Bush visits a memorial for victims of the 9/11 attacks today, he continues to refuse to clarify dishonest comments he and his national security adviser made denying they had any warning that a terrorist attack was imminent before 9/11. (1)In May 2002, National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice claimed, "I don't think anybody could have predicted that [Al Qaeda] would try to use an airplane as a missile." (2) Similarly, President Bush denied having any idea about the threat, saying on 5/17/02, "Had I known that the enemy was going to use airplanes to kill on that fateful morning, I would have done everything in my power to protect the American people." (3)The problem is that these denials contrast sharply with warnings the White House did receive prior to 9/11. Specifically, the Administration was warned before 9/11 that Al Qaeda was planning to use airplanes in an attack against the United States and that the terror group had recently considered using airplanes as missiles. ABC News and Dateline NBC reported that White House officials acknowledge that U.S. intelligence officials delivered a one-and-a-half page document to President Bush on August 6th that warned that "bin Laden's terrorist network might try to hijack American planes."(4, 5, 6) Those warnings came at the same time that U.S. and Italian officials were warning that "Islamic terrorists might attempt to kill President Bush and other leaders by crashing an airliner into the [July 2001] Genoa summit of industrialized nations." (7)These warnings came at the same time top Administration officials were being told to change their own personal flight plans because of "threats."Attorney General John Ashcroft stopped flying commercial airlines and instead began "traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines" because of "what the Justice Department called a 'threat assessment." (8) (To this day, the details of that threat assessment have never been made public.) Similarly, Newsweek reported that the day before the 9/11 terror attacks "a group of top Pentagon officials suddenly canceled travel plans for the next morning, apparently because of security concerns." (9)Sources:1. "Bush Attends 9/11 Memorial, Fund-Raiser", Associated Press, 03/11/2004, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1307066&l=21736.2. "National Security Advisor Holds Press Briefing", 05/16/2002, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1307066&l=21737.3. "President Discusses Response to September 11 Attacks", 05/17/2002, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1307066&l=21738.4. "Bush Was Warned of Hijackings Before 9/11; Lawmakers Want Public Inquiry", ABC News, 05/16/2002, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1307066&l=21739.5. ABC News, 05/16/2002.6. Dateline NBC, 09/10/2002.7. "Italy Tells of Threat at Genoa Summit", Los Angeles Times, 09/27/2001, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1307066&l=21740.8. "Ashcroft Flying High", CBS News, 07/26/2001, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=1307066&l=21741.9. "Bush: 'We're At War'", Newsweek, 09/24/2001.

Wow PayPerView, you're just a regular psychologist!For everyone else, you should know that Blowback got together in NYC minus moi and had a fabulous session, developing a lot of new material.And you should all be on the lookout for BLOWBACK's appearance at the new Museum for Civil Rights opening up in Topeka, Kansas this May. Hey Payperview, you ought to like that: your tax dollars are going to help showcase BLOWBACK. HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!And Bush is going to be there saying nice things about a museum that has a BLOWBACK song buried inside of it. HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! Come on PAyperView, it's time to admit that without us around, you'd be really really really bored. Go buy a disc, why don't you there, buddy boy.

I just love show tunes! Judy Garland is so fabulous!"I'd rather be voting Bush, than eating it!" PPV

Oh the incessant partisan sqabbling. This is so boring. PayPerView are there any bands you in fact like? Or are we all commie scum... Now that Creed is breaking up you'll need to find something new to listen to, yes? Or are there any causes you feel strongly about aside from wanting to start a pay per view business for executions and voting for Bush? I'll start by asking if you think you've gotten your $90 billion and 500+ Americans and thousands of Iraq civilians dead worth (conservatively) of personal security out of our war efforts? That's omitting, for the moment, our Afghan operations. Do you find your tax position significantly better than it was a few years ago? I would be slightly reassured to hear someone is benefitting from our current national policies.

Oh that franklin...... there he goes again.... avoiding the issue. But that is how he is now isn't he. No surprises here. I wonder if he will ever come up with some ideas instead of his usual hate for President Bush. I'll bet not. He conveniently left out the other Geobbels/A.N.S.W.E.R./Communist Party/MoveOn.org Butt-squeak/etc. rule: Accuse others of what it is you are actually doing/saying

Pooh pooh pay peh viewnow imputing elitism and smugness - in addition to repeating his charge of hate - like his favorite administation, it seems that pay per view thinks if you repeat something enough a la Goebbels, people will believe it. I suppose they will if they're avid viewers of Fox "News."Here's something else for you to snack on, oh pay per view:"Hate is too strong of an emotion for somebody you don't even like" Mr. Williams, Blues singer, Charleston,SC.

GayPerView will appreciate this one, kisses dearie XOXOXOGay Republicans to Run Anti-Bush Ad: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=1963&e=1&u=/ap/20040310/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_ads_8

Oh Franklin....Smug elitist little Franklin.... You don't get it. I didn't expect you would. No ideas, just hate for Bush. That's all you got. Have a nice year, dearie. XOXOXO

Poor Pay per View, imputing hate, helplessness, but good to see that Pay per View acknowledges that Bush doesn't know how to speak English. At least Bush is consistent in not supporting the English-only initiatives. He'd be hard-pressed if any of those enlightened ideas were to become law.I also thank "Frankin" for at least having the decency not to pretend s/he is Franklin with an L. Interesting posting. I wonder what this race will bring. Time for Buchanan or Perot to run.

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That's all you got there, Franklin.... Keep on dreaming that President Bush's daily stumbling over the English language will get your guy elected in November. Your hatred for President Bush will not get your guy elected. Your guy’s hatred for President Bush will not get him elected. It is so damn funny watching your side squirm and blather with roiling hate and NO ideas.

Poor Poor Pay per View! he was left behind!Another riddle for Pay per View:"As a society, we must demand something better, because there is no second-rate children in America."Bush speaking in South Bend, Indiana, 5 September 2002.

I know what he's saying, though I disagree with it.But if you lack the deductive reasoning and/or the critical thinking skills to figure it out, the only reasonable conclusion is that you were one of those children who was left behind. No doubt you'll blame it on liberals.

Re: "These are folks that have hijacked a great religion and then take innocent life. And that's a huge difference between America." Bush speaking in Denver, 27 September 2002."What's your point here Gumbie? (besides the one at the top of your mug)

However old it might be, it's application to the current Administration is a tight fit.Cute: PayPerView is playful!Here's something else to chew on:"These are folks that have hijacked a great religion and then take innocent life. And that's a huge difference between America." Bush speaking in Denver, 27 September 2002.

Actually, the general concept, if not every specific word, is even older than that. It was being said of then Gov. Shaefer (Maryland) around 15 years ago.

Oh Franklin..... You are a little late with that one. That went around back in 2000 and it was the democrats who adopted the condom for all of the stated reasons. Nice try & thanks for playing

The Republican National Committee announced today thatHeard on the web:The Republican Party is changing its emblem from an elephant to a condom.The committee chairman explained that the condom more clearly reflects the party's stance today, because a condom accepts inflation, halts production, destroys the next generation, protects a bunch of pricks, and gives you a sense of security while you're actually getting screwed.

.....or the frying of James Charles Kopp and John Salvi

.....or a daisy cutter dropped on top of a A.N.S.W.E.R. sponsored anti-American protest march/chant fest

.....or maybe a live "Jihad" GI being blown up, that is

.....or maybe a live GI being blown up